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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/15/2008 10:41:15 PM   
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You could easily get the run times you are after if you went with high dollar LiPo packs. Remember cost of nitro is very expensive right now. Cost to charge battery packs is very low. Saving the money you would be spending on fuel will allow you to run better packs.

No discharging needed for the packs we use today.

Usually I never waited after a run to toss it on the charger but my time was limited. Waiting until the packs are cooled a bit will extend the life of the cells.

After CHARGING you may run the boat right away. Cells perform best when they have some heat already in them. My cells always went from the charger to in my boat.


Brad,

I've used cheaper brand LiPo's and they worked great. LiPo cell are in fact completely sealed and water can not get to the actual cell. The pack can be taken apart and dried out if water should happen to get in them.

Just to get an idea of how many people run LiPo. The club I run with has over 20 members. Everyone runs LiPo. No one runs NiMh. Same with every district race I've been to.

Ryan


Very good info, thanks Ryan!! Unfortionatly ill have to use the DTX's for a little while, then i'll go to LiPo. Thats cool that you can run the batteries and then almost imediatly charge them and then go out for antother run!! So just to clarify, what kinda run times am i looking at with the DTX3800's realisticaly?? Even if i can only go out for a 4-5 minute runs it's still better than messing with nitro. Thanks again man!

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/15/2008 10:51:53 PM   
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This is why I have a Gas boat
But the electrics are fun to mess with when you are tired of hearing the chain saw run.
So which Lipo's are the best bang for the buck Ryan?

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/16/2008 1:38:41 PM   
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No, you can't really properly fuse a system like this. Follow proper maintenance precedures and safety precautions to avoid this is the only thing that you can really do. There's a very low risk of something like this happening. In my 15+ years of doing the whole RC thing, I've seen a few batteries explode similar to yours but it was due to getting them too hot from drawing too much power for too long. I've never seen an ESC or motor fault, exploding the batteries but not letting the smoke out of the esc or motor.

If you were using LiPo, there would be nothing left of your boat.

I just thought of something else.
If you were running the boat and this problem existed for the last several runs, due to the power being wasted somewhere else, the boat would have suffered from a HUGE lack of power. This lack of power may even prevent the boat from getting on plane with a stock prop. If there was a performance loss of about 8mph or more this would indicate there is a problem with the units.

Also if there was power being wasted somewhere through the system it would definitely show up in the form of heat. Was the motor or esc excessively hot after each run before the explosion?

Ryan

Ryan,Now that you mention that the boat would be "loosing" power,we did notice Dwayne's boat was faster than mine the last few days before the explosion. He could never catch my boat before that though. The problem may have been developing (or getting worse) over the last few days. I've blown(burnt up) up speed controls/motors in planes,by over proping them,but the prop,and boat were box stock. I'm kinda a overkill guy,when it comes to maintainance. I allways remove the flex drive and lube it every run(prouably don't need to do it that often,but grease is cheap) and check out all the hardware (bolts). After the explosion we removed the drive,and he noted that my flex drive ran much smoother than his(we thought that it could have got into a bind,causing the problem,but it was really very free running. I'm going to take the Miss Vegas out later for a run,(fingers crossed) I have allot of tuning left to do on it. I like both nitro/and electric boats, well planes/jets/helicopters too. Yeah, I'm a R/C junkie! Ron

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/16/2008 1:44:50 PM   
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Ryan, What about the casing on lipos, do you use hard or only the shrinkwrap ones? -and how are they held in place? -will the velcro be good enough for "soft packs" -or will the cells bend when removing them from the hull?

-i could propably get two 5000mah nosram lipos(25C) ,but they are not in any hard cases,only the shrinkwrap on them.


I use the shrink wrapped LiPo's only. If water gets in the shrink wrap, the wrap can be cut and the packs can be dried out. New shrink wrap can then be used. The cells themself structurally support the pack. I use velcro straps in my hulls to secure the packs.

The only cheaper cells I have used are the Elite's that I linked previously in this thread. I ran a set of 30C cells and they performed similar to my Flight Power 25C cells.

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So just to clarify, what kinda run times am i looking at with the DTX3800's realisticaly?? Even if i can only go out for a 4-5 minute runs it's still better than messing with nitro.


After the packs are broken in, expect around 4-5 minutes. When you bring the hull in check battery temps. You don't want to see more than 140F-150F. Be sure to tape the hatch shut so no water gets in. This is also very important.

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So which Lipo's are the best bang for the buck Ryan?


I would have to say the Elite 30C cells are pretty decent for the money.

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/16/2008 8:30:33 PM   
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So just to clarify, what kinda run times am i looking at with the DTX3800's realisticaly?? Even if i can only go out for a 4-5 minute runs it's still better than messing with nitro.


After the packs are broken in, expect around 4-5 minutes. When you bring the hull in check battery temps. You don't want to see more than 140F-150F. Be sure to tape the hatch shut so no water gets in. This is also very important.



Ok, but how do you tell the temps?? Do you use a laser temp gauge or something?? I don't have one myself but i could probably get one. I keep reading about battery temps but i have no idea how you guy's come up with them. Thanks.

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/16/2008 9:04:13 PM   
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Yes, a temp gauge. Same ones that are used on nitro boats.

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/17/2008 5:00:22 PM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RhSsdwDUWU



-my first run with 25C 5300mAh Nosram(in the States ,they go by the name "LRP VTEC" 5300) -lipos... -not the cheapest ones.



Weather was very nasty .


I also modded the battery trays.


I also sealed the cooling jacket with silicone, it was newer completely sealed from aq. -now there is not a drop of water insede ,even after 4sec. submersion.

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/17/2008 9:32:17 PM   
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I can bet it was fast with those batteries in it

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/17/2008 9:50:22 PM   
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I can bet it was fast with those batteries in it



yeah, but the weather was so bad it did not go straight at all. (maby you missed the vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RhSsdwDUWU ), at ~40sec it goes couple of seconds straight, and fast.

I will try and get better footage this weekend.

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/17/2008 11:11:59 PM   
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I am new to electric boating (I also have a thundercat 31) I have only had my supervee for three days and I had couple questions about batteries for it. As of now I have 2 7.2v 3ah nimh's and 2 8.4v 3ah nimh's. The last time I took the boat out (today in the pond at work) the batteries got hot enough to melt some of the heat shrink plastic of the battery. I have read that NiMH's are not meant for high drain applications. Would nicad's be better for this boat? I don't really want to spend the money on li-po's at the moment. Any input would be great.

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RE: Super Tune Your Super Vee 27 - 7/18/2008 2:04:17 AM   
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NiCd's would be worse. Get high quality 3800+ mAh cells NiMh cells. It seems to me everyone is melting packs and blowing them up these days. High quality packs is mandatory on this boat.

Ryan

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