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CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/15/2006 11:49:33 PM   
aenigma


 

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Status: offline 		Hey just wondering if anyone else has flown this plane?I just got one and I am wondering if I should put a Magnum 61 4s in it or go all out with power with a Saito 80?I have been curious to how aerobatic it is and if it can handle any 3D stuff at all?Mainly the simpler things like harriers and hovering.I am also wondering about basic things like spins, inverted spins, and blenders.

Overall this ARF looks simply great, for 99 dollars I can not believe how good this thing is.I was surpised!The construction quality looks great, and the covering is beautiful but there is one little tear at the end of the aileron, it can't be perfect after all!

One problem I had when putting the ailerons on was with the hinges they use.I like the design its a refreshing change from the CA hinges I am used to and they say to epoxy them in but being myself I decided to use CA because I knew it would hold but apperantly no matter how hard you try not to get any in the actual pivot joint it ends up there.So now they are pretty hard to move back and forth and the only thing I really worry about is how well they will return to center.Is there a good way to loosen them up?

I know that when I do the elevator and rudder I will do it differently.

This is what the hinges are like: http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=269
That is a good idea to oil the joint before gluing, too bad I didn't think of that.
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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/18/2006 11:44:07 PM   
Blacksheep-J


 

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Status: offline 		The plane flys great. I have one that is powered by a TH .61 2S. It seems to excel in the pattern type manuevers,knife edge,snap rolls and point rolls, tail slides etc. I had the plane for a few months now and tried increasing the throws for for 3-d type manuevers but it starts to become real snappy with increased elevator throw. I'm going to get more stick time on it before experimenting with aft CG and control throws.
My plane came with CA hinges but I have not had any problems with them. I do periodically check them (as we all should). My only compaint with it is the beautiful covering is VERY fragile. It will rip just by cleaning it. I had to patch it with clear packaging tape at almost every flying session. I recovered the bottom with white Monocote because it ripped off during flight.I tried covering the rest of the fuse with clear econocote but it still tears. Its too late to save the wings with all the patchwork I had to do on it at the field. I will eventually recover it but the airframe is an excellent flier. You certainly cant beat it for the price!

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/19/2006 2:16:44 AM   
aenigma


 

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Status: offline 		Yeah I was afraid of that, I guess good things can't last.I am glad to hear it flies good though.Does it do spins/inverted spins?How about hovering?Oh and do you think it was over powered with the .61?I have a Saito FA-82 I could put in it, that would probably be more than enough power.

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/19/2006 6:45:12 AM   
Blacksheep-J


 

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Status: offline 		I think the .61 is a perfect match for this plane. I was able to balance it with no added weight and it has unlimited vertical performance. It will spin easily but my current throws will not allow it to flatten-out very much. I can also get it to hover at around 3/4+ throttle but I'm running a 12/6 prop which is kind of a high pitch to be able to hover and have enough reserve pull to get out of trouble. Also, it doesn't have large ailerons and elevator so you have to be quick on the sticks to maintain a hover. Undoubtedly your Saito will work well with plenty of reserve power,but this plane doesnt have the thick 3-D airfoil and likes the faster aerobatic maneuvers.

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/19/2006 8:59:47 AM   
aenigma


 

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Status: offline 		Well sounds good then because I wasn't expecting it to be 3d, the only 3d thing I kind of wanted to do was hovering, harriers would be fun too.Have you tried harriers at all?But other than that I like the fast and sometimes violent stuff like blenders.

Another question, did you use the carbon fiber rod with the split y rods to control both elevator halves, and if so how is it working?I had a plane go in because the stab broke off from tail flutter with that kind of setup.But that one had flimsier wires that connected to the elevator halves and I have several other planes with this design that work fine.And if you have any other tips let me know, also I am going to use HiTec 322 servos all around, think they should be enough?They are 42oz of torque.Same servos our local hobby shop owner uses in his whats it so I figured they should be enough.

Oh yeah as for the real 3d stufff I just ordered a Tribute, should be fun.

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/19/2006 5:42:48 PM   
Blacksheep-J


 

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Status: offline 		I'm using Hi-Tec BB servos too, I think they're 322s but anyway they work fine. I also used the Carbon Fiber/split rods for the elevator and so far so good. I don't do power-on dives but i really crank it up and do high speed spins and snaps,not a hint of flutter. I don't have enough elevator throw for harriers and will probably need to move the CG aft a bit too but I'm not very skilled at Harriers anyway. If you follow the pictures the assembly is pretty straight forward and I believe the supplied hardware is decent. I don't remember if this plane had EZ connectors but if so I always replace them with either clevises or Z bends just as a personal preference. I think you will really enjoy this plane but let me know if you find a way to protect the covering. It really tears easily when flying and it can cause severe trim changes.

Enjoy,
~Jay

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/19/2006 7:46:43 PM   
aenigma


 

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Status: offline 		Ok good to hear, I didn't think the carbon fiber split rod would be a problem since it is much stronger than the one I had a problem with.That being a Lanier Extreme Stick.As for the instructions you have got to love some of the english."Use to the best short" and "use to grow to the best".
I would also like to find a way to protect the covering, I am not looking forward to when it rips.It is really thick covering but very brittle.You would think they would use a higher quality covering since they are going to the trouble of airbrushing it, doesn't make sense.

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/23/2006 7:05:12 AM   
matt13


 

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Status: offline 		Have just got one of these Giles yesterday myself. I also got a new OS50SX to go with it. As soon as the box was opened I was sold. It looked great and the components look well put together. Will update the post with the build as I start which will not be for a week or so. I hope I have better luck with the covering as that was one of the reasons I bought it.

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/23/2006 7:38:20 AM   
Blacksheep-J


 

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Status: offline 		The covering was also one of the reasons I bought it too. Very unique at the flying field. The advertising really doesn't do it justice. The design doesnt show up well in the air so you might consider adding something to the bottom wings to help with orientation. Make sure to use medium heat. Not only does the covering tear easily its also hard to reshrink/repair.

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/24/2006 7:40:02 PM   
aenigma


 

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Status: offline 		Yeah I had that feeling too, it is very thick and stiff which is probably why it tears, jsut too brittle.I just got mine finished last night and should be maidening it today as well.I set the throws on it as high as I could then mixed exponential on one setting of my transmitter and dual rates that half the throw plus exponential on the other setting which is what I will start with.I guess the main thing I am worrying about for the maiden is parts flying off at high speed, I had that happen to a cheap plane once and I am just paranoid now.That and CG is a big part of it that scares me, I have lost a few planes to CG that was off too far, back too far usually.This one is set up slightly nose heavy so I should be fine.The more I look at the plane the more I think my Saito 100 would be a good match for it, but it feels like a light plane once it is built, so either way it should be a nice flyer.

Also I have heard that Giles tip stall easy, I am not sure if this one does or not as all rc planes seem to be different.A Decathlon is a good example of that, most of the Decathlon models tip stall badly and the Goldberd which I have doesn't.Then I have a Goldberg Extra which is supposed to be a great flying plane and it is a death trap it tip stalls so easy.

As far as the connectors it came with they were some kind of white plastic clevises with a metal rod through them and the metal broke on one I was putting on, so I ditched those and used some other plastic ones I had.The only problem is that the rod they include has a different thread on it than my clevises but luckily I could use some plastic ones I had as they are good for "rethreading" and not stripping.

How much throw do you have on your elevator when you say you don't have much anyway?I am not sure if I measured the throw right, I just stuck a ruler up to the elevator and moved it and measured from center and the recomended throw barely even moved it, the throw I have was something like 70mm I think instead of their 15-20 or 20-30 which didn't seem like it would be enough to hardly fly around safely much less do a loop or something.The rudder is set to move enough to line the rudder up even with the elevators rudder cut outs.

Also as far as the cover and as nice as it is, I think if worst comes to worst I will just recover it and I am trying to just prep myself for that time so I don't cry too hard!
I may try to silk span it too, I love the look of silkspan, no wrinkles and it shrinks very tight as well.They have very realistic paint colors too, monokote is always very bright not like most real planes.

Well I will let you know how the maiden goes and if it survived.
I have been having such bad luck with planes doing weird things lately I am nervous, and the plane is just so nice looking I would absolutely hate to see anything happen to it.

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/25/2006 10:38:15 PM   
aenigma


 

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Status: offline 		Well I maidened it yesterday but my FA-80 wasn't running very well, I forgot I had problems with this engine when I put it on so I didn't fly much.But I flew enough to like what I was flying, seems to be a smooth stable flyer, I was on low rates to start with and stayed on them and even with about half throw on the ailerons it had a very nice roll rate.I was suprised.As soon as I rolled it I said "Yeah, this is a nice one." I was sold.

I was very nervous on take off but as soon as it took to the air I could see this was one good flying airplane, I didn't test the stall or anything because I didn't want to idle too long and have the engine quit on me, but I did land pretty slow a few times with no problem at all.The Goldberg Extra I have has horrible tip stalls.

When I got back last night I pulled the Saito FA-80(yeah it was an 80 I made a mistake when I said 82) and put my Saito 100 on it and it runs good.I had to enlarge the cowling for the exhaust pipe to fit and enlarge the already big hole for the high speed needle though.But the bad news and good at the same time is that I was running it just to see how it ran and noticed the engine was coming loose and it didn't suprise me because the engine is big and vibrates a bit and I might not have tightened the motor mount screws enough, but then I looked inside the cowling and it is that whole firewall box that seems to be loose.I am glad I caught it before flying it, now I just need to strengthen it up.

So how does your Giles stall, is it an abrupt tip stall or a slow wing drop or does it just mush in?Also where do you have your CG set?

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/25/2006 10:57:32 PM   
matt13


 

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Status: offline 		Well done on the maiden flight. The engine box coming loose is something I would like to hear more about as i will do any mods if they are required during the assembly. Did it come loose because of failed glue joints or has some of the plywood split? Matt

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RE: CMPro Giles 202 - 50 - 9/25/2006 11:43:58 PM   
Macs


 

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Status: offline 		hi guys

at last i found a forum started on the giles 202 50.
i just got one of these at a show the other day and i've been reading you're post word for word , vert good reading it makes too.
I plan to use a SC51 two stroke on mine, hope it will still have the power to pick it up.

i notice in you're post that there have been issues with the covering and wonder if i will have the same problem ?

On the box that the plane came in, it says about it being the a Version 2 and i read that it has a clear film over the covering , does it say this on you'res.
seem such a shame that ones of it best features , is let down by poor covering.


it is a very uncomon plane, and that makes it all the more interesting at the field.

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