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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/27/2006 4:29:10 PM   
Troy-RCU



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This thread has little to do with what's under the hood. The plane would most likely have landed fine if the guys were standing in a better spot.
-owner of a highly detailed, quad-electric C-130 who had motor issues and is now rebuilding.

ps: why does it seem every thread on RCU ends up like this....? I don't see this on other forums.

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/27/2006 6:33:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: CorsairJock

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ORIGINAL: NorfolkSouthern
You can argue about the virtues of electric flight all you want. However, shoving it down our throats won't get me or a some others here converted. Nice try. Arguments like that convince me more and more that legislation and restrictions are needed for park flyer electrics, because their added reliability makes people think less about what could go wrong, thus inviting more carelessness. Their quietness also invites them to fly into places where they have no business being, like the one that flew into the football stadium during a game. Watching videos of an Aerobird hitting a kid and reading stories about a park flyer hitting a paraglider gets a bit old after a while.

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Yet another 'comprehension challenged'? I haven't seen anyone trying to shove electrics down anybody's throat here.

What we electric proponents are stating is that we DO see a safety aspect of electric power which we feel would have prevented the B-25 (had it been electric powered) from rolling and yawing right as it was about to touch down, thereby averting the near miss which was also the result of pilot and spotter being on the runwway.

Long sentence, I know. Maybe if I re-write into several very short sentences, it will be easier to understand. But that may confuse some of you also. So why bother.

If you don't want to convert to electric power: FINE. Nobody here trying to shove down your throat. We are just trying to point out that we feel it is a better/ safer way to go with twin engined aircraft.

And park flyers: how did they get into the subject? Long before they came along, we had 1/2A powered RC. Not nearly as popular, and for several reasons. Nontheless, they were being flown by a lot of non-AMA members, in school yards. Same thing as the electric park flyers, but that's a whole different subject, and totally un-related to the B-25 crash IMO.

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And park flyers: how did they get into the subject? Long before they came along, we had 1/2A powered RC. Not nearly as popular, and for several reasons.
Keeps getting more interesting but for a relaxed spring evening (with no women ) I will treasure the many flights I put on this non-electric, economical, O.S. 10 powered 244 square 42" span so called school yard flyer,back in the day HOWEVER after seeing a nice Ziroli P--38 go in or rater snap in when one of the engines quit makes me at least consider electric and those awful batteries

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/27/2006 8:55:30 PM   
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I am the goon, idiot, gomer, maroon, etc that was hit by the B-25 in the video. I would like to respond to the comments made about the crash in this forum.

The pilot is by far the best model airplane builder, and flier that I have ever been associated with. He has 20+ years experience in RC models. He is the go-to guy in our club for everything from painting to electronics, and is willing to share his knowledge and abilities with anyone who asks. He has inspired me and others in our club to levels of war bird building and flying that we never would have reached without his help and encouragement. I am proud to call him my friend.

The airplane was a scratch built scaled up Ziroli B-25 with 2 G-45 engines. It also had operating bomb bay doors, remote engine starters, rotating gun turret, breaks, nav lights, etc. It was an outstanding airplane. He had it for several years and it was a proven airplane.

Everyone saw the flight on the video. When the airplane took off no problems existed. Both engines were running fine and there was no reason not to take off. Shortly into the flight the right engine quit. Why?...who knows? All of us that actually fly large scale models have had this happen on more than one occasion. While the airplane was downwind I asked the pilot if he was going to put the airplane down in front of us, and he said yes. We were on the runway, and should not have been, but what the video clip does not show is there was a half mile open field in front of us that he was going to set it down on. I was behind him as I should have been. The airplane however did not turn as sharp as he planned and we were caught in front of it. Why?....again, who knows. It could have been engine torque, or a number of other factors. Again, all of us who actually fly large scale model airplanes understand this. I do know however that the pilot did not panic, as WARBIRDMAN states. Please sir, do not make comments about people when you have you foot in your mouth. The pilot did not attempt to land the airplane between us. He is the best. I grabbed the pilots arm to pull him from out of the way of the airplane because the plan was to set the airplane down in front of us. I did not purposely assault him as SCALEBIRDMAN states. Sir, I find your comments offensive. You are a true ass to insinuate I would have attempted to hurt him or crash his airplane on purpose. I will be happy to send you my name and address so we can settle this like men, if you have the guts.

What amazes me more than the flight it’s self is all of the experts in this forum who know everything there is to know about the pilot, airplane, the flying field, the flight, what lead up to the flight, and myself, from a short video clip. You guys are absolutely phenomenal!!! Many of you called the pilot and me idiots. How many of you that did the have ability, commitment and desire to conceive, build and successfully fly a model airplane of this sophistication? I would wager none. Until you do, don’t speak badly of those who do. And if you do actually grow a set and attempt something like this, I’ll be happy to set in front of my computer and make smart ass comments when you fail.

Rrudytoo states if we had been behind the barrier we would have been safe. Mr. rrudytoo, have you ever actually been to a model airplane field or flown a model airplane? It would not appear so if you think the thin plastic netting used as barriers would stop a 40+ pound B-25. You also call for no-notice safety inspections by the AMA of flying fields. This is so unrealistic I am not even going to comment on it, but it does give us an insight into your mental capacities.

CorsaieJock, who also knows everything, according to his comments, does not even know who was flying the airplane. Please Mr. Jock, do not comment on things you know nothing about.

Dia Phan. I hope nothing ever happens to you, but if it does, I assure you I will not be as ugly and unforgiving as you are. Sir, I actually feel sorry for you. I would hate to think a world full of people like you.

My favourite however is rangerstl. He has actually put together a full blown 6 point FAA investigation from a 32 second video clip. This takes skill and imagination, a lot of imagination, not possessed by myself or anyone I know. The most amazing thing however is that many others actually agreed with his conclusions. That my friends, is really scary.

I did however see a few comments I enjoyed. I believe rmj1982 and BOBFE actually do build and fly scale model airplanes. Their comments were accurate and realistic. All of the others I fear only fly models through someone else they see on the internet.

I could go on and on but I grow weary of this. I just hope my comments will help people to stop and think before they make malicious comments about someone they do not know.

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/27/2006 9:15:11 PM   
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Thanks for posting in.

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/27/2006 10:08:59 PM   
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Are you and Corsair Jerk sleeping together. Get over yourselves and move on. Instead of trying to insult everyone with your comments you both need to read what has been written. Nobody said that perhaps electric wouldn't be safer. The point is that electric isn't a cure for what poor judgement can cause. The airplane in question shouldn't have crashed at all if it had been flown properly and the approach made in a more decent manner. The power system had nothing to do with the poor piloting and judgement demonstrated in the video. The airplane was in no danger flying with one engine and could have and should have been landed safely. You guys can't seem to smell the crap you're shoveling but everyone else can. Let go of each other now and stop patting each other wherever it is your patting. You fly what you want and let the rest of us fly what we want without your crude and false remarks.

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/28/2006 12:34:52 AM   
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HOLY CRAP!!! How did I dodge that POOP STORM?? I guess I'm not in the top 5. I should take my ball and go home buuuuuuuuuuut...

Ramms,
Couple things there buddy. First your a brave man to fess up, uncommon, good job. I have a couple items for you. If I make a bonehead mistake its public, so what, people call you an idiot, big deal, pull up the skirt!! (that goes for all ya thin skins)
If your tryin to be the upstanding guy here no problem, just don't challenge guys to fight you, come on.
Bustin on the guys that called you stupid for standin on the end of the runway, hold your horses Tex... You were wrong to be there. Here's why, you said Superman has over 20 yrs exp and is this and that, blah blah blah, there is no excuse for not knowing the downwind is gonna widen out your turn.
One last thing, you CAN NOT say "I grow weary of this..." and challenge a guy to a fight in the same post!!!!! Either tell people to kiss your A$$ or challenge them to a duel or something "Mr. Sophisticate"!!!

Let the POOP STORM begin...

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/28/2006 1:37:28 AM   
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Wow! Some of that whizzed right by me. I agree it's not nice to call people idiots and stuff. Calling their actions that is another thing all together. We all do stupid stuff eventually. No matter how they try to justify it, that video is very damning evidence that something stupid took place. You can't spin it into some kind of fantasy. Just accept it, learn from it, and chalk it up to experience. No big deal since nothing serious came of it. Man, as far as inviting people to duke it out, what ever happened to "Sticks and Stones". Apparently someone didn't grow them big enough to take a few insults.

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/28/2006 4:01:24 AM   
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Best thread for September hands down winner! ! !

& i thought it was a learning lesson for all of us, not to beat down the people involved.

some people just do not know when not to type... 2 cents turns into a pocket full of change...

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/28/2006 4:12:47 AM   
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E,

Dude how funny is that? Ramms comes on and says you shouldn't call people idiots, your all a bunch of jerks, blah blah blah and for his effort gets called an idiot anyway!!!
All that typing and were like "dude your a jacka$$ for standing on the end of the runway..." Americans... were all a bunch of Puds!!!! GOD I LOVE THIS COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/28/2006 5:04:52 AM   
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LOL LMFAO Nice Arrow, way to summarize.

Ramms, I think the bigger question is why is it so hard to go where the pilot goes? It sort of looked like the pilot was going to the right and you were pulling him to the left. I betcha that if he is flying it, he knows (or by God should know) what the plane is about to do better than his caller. In fact I think I hear the pilot say something to the effect "when you jerked me you made me...then I cant tell what was said he hit the throttle or made a correction he didn't intend to because you were pulling him left and I hear you apologize.

Getting pissed and challenging guys to fights because you broke a B-25 on your leg didn't really help the case there hoss.



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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/28/2006 5:37:54 AM   
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Oh crap , my gas is back. Better go in for another round of lipo suction. What a thread. ROFL!

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/28/2006 5:51:10 AM   
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Does that mean you are "flabberGASted"? This is begging to look like Humor forum material.

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RE: Never play chicken with a bomber*video* - 9/28/2006 12:59:07 PM   
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At least he has his 15 minutes of fame. How many of you can say that ?

Actually, this video will be circulating on the internet for 15 years probably.

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