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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 9/12/2012 12:20 PM   
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It looks like I've been lucky enough to get my paws on what I guess is the last untouched kit of the Adam 500 ( huge huge thanks to Alan C at YT ).

It's my intention to detail it a little more with lights and a decent cockpit similar to my 337 .. see here YT/KMP Cessna 337

Does anyone have and info on the lighting placements, I cant find too much online?

As I first fell in love with this aircraft when I saw it in the Miami Vice movie, I've managed to locate Colin Farrell and Jamie Foxx (in MV guise) figures, they should be here next week.

Any help with lighting would be much appreciated!

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 9/13/2012 9:37 AM   
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i searched the www and get a lot of photos...from every direction i want.

if you send me an email: m-gross@gmx.de then i will send you all my collected photos.

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 9/13/2012 8:04 PM   
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 10/11/2012 3:58 PM   
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 10/12/2012 2:54 PM   
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 10/15/2012 8:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Mathias, got them ok

Crockett & Tubbs are now ready for their new ride..



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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/29/2012 10:29 AM   
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A quick question for anyone who's built one of these.. when you fit the ali wing tubes into the centre section and trial fit the booms.. how much wing tube did you have to slide the outer panels over? I only have about 4 inches once I fit the boom, doesn't seem enough??

Not impressed with this thing at all. Supposed pre-drilled holes don't exist, nothing (& I mean nothing) lines up and one of the retracts is jammed solid If I'd paid retail for this it'd be going back



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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/29/2012 12:12 PM   
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i would try this:

messure out how deep the tubes are and try to get a tube which is long enough......

or you do my way......make your own tube out of carbon and reinforce it with and straight balsapice and be happy.....

The gear is worse...i ´d say ,you look further on in this report, we´re a italian guy describes what gear he uses.....

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/29/2012 4:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks Michael, thats the route I was looking at going down.... something else I have to replace

I have the same gear as "enzo65", it does look strong enough...havent had time to start stripping it down yet

All the best for 2013

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/29/2012 4:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Try Sierra Precision for your gear. They can make an identical match and the quality of their landing gear is awesome. The other option is to send them to Locked and Down and have them convert the stock retracts from pneumatic to electric retracts.
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/30/2012 6:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		yes all the compsoite parts...i want not to fly lead through the air...I think i will manage to get the piston one with two os 91 FX with 7 kg MtOW in the air.....Composite means light and strong...but that part is missing in chinise work......like esm etc.....

at work i have a engine cowl and i stripped it down....what a quality......mastic and color and in the end airbubbles in the composite whrerever you look.....

okay somethimes you pay an extra price for cheap parts.....

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/30/2012 2:01 PM   
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/30/2012 2:35 PM   
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So, as per my previous post nothing fits...but after some serious "adjustments" its starting to look like and airplane....


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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/30/2012 2:38 PM   
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/30/2012 11:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Scott - re wing joiners - these are about 440mm long and mine slid inside their allocated space and I didn't epoxy them in as explained below. I left 185mm of each tube protruding from the boom. From memory I think they butted up against a wing former.

I measured where the securing screw goes as shown picture 37, page 8 of the instruction manual 40mm to wing end (this is supposed to line up with a former inside the wing) and from this measured a further 50 mm along the tube where a second screw was to be installed.

I then had some wood dowel machined to the inside diameter of the wing joiner tube. I then cut 2 pieces of the wood dowel and epoxied them inside each tube to allow the securing bolts to line up with the marks at 40mm and 90mm from the tube end at each end - 2 pieces of dowel in each wing tube near each end.

Holes were then drilled through the wing into the wing joiner and into the wood inside the tube. From here I tapped 3mm holes and installed two by 3mm x 25mm Allen head bolts into each wing joiner for added security - I didn't want screws straight into aluminium tube - the threads would wear out in no time.

I did the same again for the inboard part of the wing joiner inboard of the wing boom - 4 Allen bolts into the wood inside each wing former - my reason for doing it this way was to allow for removal and replacement of the wing tubes should they ever break or be bent.

I did see inboard fixing of the wing tubes with epoxy at picture 15, page 3 - but I chose not to - the above is how I did mine.

Hope this helps - cheers - maxiemac

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 12/31/2012 12:06 PM   
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 1/11/2013 8:32 AM   
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The issues with the wing joiners have been sorted, anyone else notice how brittle the gelcoat is? I'm currently making carbon pushrods for the rudders and starting off on a decent cockpit...



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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 1/11/2013 3:01 PM   
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 1/11/2013 3:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks mate.. glad its not just me! I've had several ESM/YT/KMP models and this is by far the worst ever

I've had several events now that have made me wonder if its worth continuing to waste money replacing everything on it but I guess I'll see it through . Its no fun though when it becomes a chore rather than a hobby....

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 1/11/2013 3:32 PM   
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Thanks mate.. glad its not just me! I've had several ESM/YT/KMP models and this is by far the worst ever

I've had several events now that have made me wonder if its worth continuing to waste money replacing everything on it but I guess I'll see it through . Its no fun though when it becomes a chore rather than a hobby....


I'm still open to trying another ESM plane, with this one being my 1st one from them, been a bit gun shy, but over the years since I've had the A500 I've seen some decent ESM build threads, so they do have some good ones. I'd say this is probably the worse 'ARF' I've had, at least in this size. I've probably mentioned it a couple times, but where I made a wrong south turn was stripping the paint to repaint. Spent so much time filling and sanding pin holes, dips and weak areas in the 'glassing that over time it frankly burned me out. Am holding out hope that one day I can get it done. I've got to give Kudos to those that 'pushed through the wall' and got theirs flying! I've built a lot of nice big planes, but this one took me to task. Keep us posted, hoping you can get yours in the air!

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 1/11/2013 3:43 PM   
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 1/11/2013 3:48 PM   
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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 1/11/2013 3:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mmmm, its the outer portion of the booms I have a problem with... I masked off the areas where's you're supposed to drill holes for a locating dowel and the whole surrounding areas just collapsed

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 1/11/2013 4:26 PM   
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Mmmm, its the outer portion of the booms I have a problem with... I masked off the areas where's you're supposed to drill holes for a locating dowel and the whole surrounding areas just collapsed


Have no got that far with mine but understand exactly what you're saying. That may not be the only area you'll experience that problem.. just sayin..

Also take a good look at the drilled out points for hinges.. Had a flap or two and aileron, maybe both, can't recall.. in which the holes were off center or didnt line up with the part to be mated. Additionally, the wood blocks that are supposed to hold the hinge in place... some of those were drilled off to the side of the blocks so the hinge had no bit, in other words it was only half a hole. I did fix that stuff by filling and re-drilling etc.. then glassed the crappy trailing edge, it'll work now, but just one of many things on a long list. Granted, I got one of the first off the ship, those following were likely not built any different. I'll get mine done someday... far too cool a plane to give up on.. last I spoke with KMP about it, I think only 24 shipped, not sure how many sold. Also, on hinges you should add some carbon tube or such into the mounting blocks, I seriously doubt the wood is strong enough to support the hinge just glued or epoxied in. (KMP also suggested that and sent me some small cut tubes, but they were too large in diameter). Am hoping that having re-glassed those areas, they be strong enough without needing the extra support. Also had to rebuild or buildup the servo hatches some of the servo bays, those were really weak!

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RE: NEW KMP TWIN - Adam Aircraft A500 - 1/11/2013 4:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Been there done that I'm afraid....waiting on YT to get back to me on the quality issues but I doubt there's much they can do and I don't hold them responsible, just wish Stevie Wonder wasn't the QC boss on this

4.45pm here so off to better things Have a great weekend

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