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RE: Giant Delta...has it's OWN site now... - 6/6/2004 2:17:55 AM   
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I have been doing alot of work on my delta this week, I will post some more pictures as soon as I get a chance, I have the vertical tail complete and fiberglassed, I also have the rudder and the winglets completed, and glassed.


I have the four elevons glassed on one half of them, I am going to use all four of them as ailerons and elevators (elevons), but I have already programmed my radio to allow for me to disengage the outboard surfaces as elevators, so that only the outboards will act like ailerons if I want to.

I have also already set up my radio to allow me to flip the speedbrake switch and the outboard surfaces will go up and the inboard surfaces will go down, kinda like a split flap airbrake thingy!!!


I have the wing of the delta's leading edge sanded to shape and also the trailing edge is sanded to shape. I am almost ready to start routing out the servo bays, I am going to lay them on there side and mount them to a lite ply cover, so the only thing protruding from the wing will be the control arm. I also am planning on making a fiberglass turtledeck cover over the center section of the wing in order to conceal the fuel tank and all the radio gear. I am also going to be installing retracts, I am just going to use two, it will be kinda like a taildragger, but when in the air with the gear up you wont be able to tell.


I just need more time in the day, and then I could have this thing done, I can't wait to fly it!!!


I'll get some pictures on here when I can.


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RE: Giant Delta...has it's OWN site now... - 6/6/2004 2:32:44 AM   
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here are some pictures

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RE: Giant Delta...has it's OWN site now... - 6/6/2004 2:33:59 AM   
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some more

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RE: Giant Delta...has it's OWN site now... - 6/7/2004 3:14:28 PM   
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What has everyone been using for hinges, I saw someone used playing cards?

Any other ideas?


I dont want to put all this work into the thing and have a hinge pull out to its demise.


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RE: Giant Delta...has it's OWN site now... - 6/7/2004 8:24:31 PM   
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Looking good Weskel!!!

I usually TOP-hinge my surfaces with covering material (both sides of course).

Here's a couple links to diagrams of how I do it...

From 1/2A all the way up to giant scale I've never had one fail....gapless, nearly no resistance (so all the power of the servo goes to moving the surface instead of fighting the hinge)...

Sheeting sufrace method:
http://www.crazyherb.com/PlansandDrawings/SHEETING.jpg
in action
http://www.crazyherb.com/PLANK/IMG_1250.JPG

And Covering:
http://www.crazyherb.com/PlansandDrawings/COVERINGHINGE.jpg
Pick of how it looks...
http://www.crazyherb.com/PLANK/IMG_1264.jpg


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RE: Giant Delta...has it's OWN site now... - 6/8/2004 1:16:42 AM   
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Crazyherb, those ideas are a great way to hinge, and they have been proven to be tough!! The playing cards okay........they're not the greatest. Even though you would want to use the ones that are plastic laminated, they can get soaked with oil from the glow fuel and then become weak. I have been happy with using Coroplast. The material has flutes that you would cut your hinge piece so that the flutes run along the hinge line. Then, you cut one side of a flute off and the top of this flute becomes your hinge. If you have access to this material, it makes a tough, gapless hinge. Otherwise, your gauranteed to have the materials available to make the hinge that Crazyherb has described. I don't reccomend the playing cards. I am the one that introduced the idea, but now that I have put them through the test, I find that they can become dangerous. So.....don't use the playing cards.

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CG Question??? - 6/14/2004 5:08:52 AM   
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Hey Herb,



How did you come up with the CG?


Im just curious what is teh math formula of how to come up with a CG for a Delta, or any other plane for that matter.


Also how do you know what % of MAC to use?

I have a rough idea of how to figure it, but as my wife says "I'm a little slow"


Weskel

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RE: CG Question??? - 6/14/2004 10:24:01 AM   
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Weskel,
I'm sure Crazyherb will chime in with his expertise, but he has shared this information with me previously as I have hounded him numerous times asking for his assistance when building my Giant Delta and He has always come through. Try the c/g calculator at this site:

http://www.palosrc.com/instructors/cg.htm

I think it is 18%-20% M.A.C. that we want with these Deltas


Crazyherb and Everyone,
It sure would be neat to incorporate a plug in wing scheme to this design. I know that it's not too difficult to add aluminum wing tubes and phenolic tubes to our balsa wings as we build them to make plug in wings, but how would one make plug-in wings for a delta wing of this size. I have been trying to come up with some ideas, but none of them are setting off sparks in my head. Here is a couple of ideas that maybe some of you can work with or maybe they will spark a different idea in your head.

1. Wooden dowel sliding into arrow shafts. Would the arrow shafts be stationary in the main/middle wing and the outer wings have the wooden dowel glued into them? How to make so the outer wings don't fly off during flight?

2. Phenolic wing tubes with aluminum tubes going into them. Maybe similar to above or more like a standard wing?

3. Aluminum "C" channel. You can get this at Home Depot/Lowes. I haven't visioned up an idea with this material yet, but everytime I look at this piece that I have here from my SPAD days I can't help but think that it's doable somehow.

4. 1/8" by 1" by 48" aluminum slapped on the bottom and top of the wing with bolts going vertically through the wing every 8 inches. The bolts could go through wooden dowel inserted vertically in the wing so as to prevent crushing when the bolts are tightened.

5. Same as #4 but with wood instead of the aluminum. The wood would have to be a thicker dimension though to get the same strength. Maybe the wing could be routed so that the wood would sit flush with the top and bottom of the wing when all bolted down. There would have to be two, maybe three of these "sandwiches" on the wing in order for it to work. OR.....maybe just one, with a couple of dowels going into the wing and fuselage/midlde wing to keep the whole wing at one incidence. You wouldn't want the two outer panels to shift like giant full flying elevators!! ha, ha.


Well, that's all I can think of right now. Someone take one of these ideas and wring it out, twist it, work it, come up with something we can use to make these Giant Delta's have removable wings. It would help out greatly with storing them and hauling them. I am fine with hauling my Giant Delta in my pickup, it mostly my H20 Delta that I need removable wings for. But, if we could come up with a solution for removable wings on these Delta's, I could bring more than one to the field!! Ha, ha.

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RE: Giant Delta...has it's OWN site now... - 10/21/2004 4:41:23 AM   
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Well its been a few hot months here in Florida, dodging hurricanes, and gettin ghit by IVAN, but I have done a little more work on my Delta...

I have it fully fiberglassed and sanded, ready for primer and paint and then the controls.


In the pictures, notice the Black at the nose, that carbon fiber, this is a high tech piece of foam, it even has carbon fiber layed up between the sheets of the blue foam to form a stiff spar.


I bought a brand new super tiger G90 to power it, probably over powered, but what the hell right.... its only foam.


I hope to have it done in a week or two, I will try to add more on here when I can.


Weskel

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Giant Delta - 10/21/2004 4:42:49 AM   
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Here are some more pictures

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RE: Giant Delta - 6/26/2005 12:53:04 AM   
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can anyone give me direction to plans, measurements or general info on this giant delta. herbs site dont show much unless im missing something

cheers

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RE: Giant Delta - 6/26/2005 1:03:35 AM   
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I'll get everything re-posted tonight...been updating my site and just needed a little push...
Let me know if you have any questions...
I'll post plans to the site as well.

http://www.crazyherb.com/FOAMIEDESIGNS/GIANTDELTA/GIANTDELTA.HTM

Updated Drawing here in .jpg format
http://www.crazyherb.com/FOAMIEDESIGNS/GIANTDELTA/giantdeltaSheet1.jpg

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RE: Giant Delta - 6/26/2005 3:39:47 AM   
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Hey Herb...


nice to see your still among the living.... I stil havent finished my delta yet, but getting closer...


I probably need about 2 full days working on it and I could be done.


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RE: Giant Delta - 6/26/2005 3:40:51 AM