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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 4:36:59 AM   
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I am not currently a member of the Corona club, but I WILL BE NEXT YEAR.

I have attended the fun fly as a spectator, and this is a top-notch group. I observed the paintball event and the safety precautions were very well thought-out and strictly enforced.

Unless you have seen this system operate, it may be difficult for you to grasp the idea of it being done in a safe manner. It's very safe and quite fun to watch. The risks associated with the event are much smaller than the risk of a simple heli demo or almost anything else done at a fun-fly. I would venture to say that the paintball event is the safest time to be at the field due to the precautions taken and the attention given. EVERYONE IS WATCHING THE DRONES!

I was waiting for the club to weigh in on this before I posted my experience with this event.

I hope the paintball event is allowed next time. It really is a very safe family activity, loads of fun and a good fundraiser.

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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 5:20:46 AM   
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Thank you for your support. Everything is accurate in your post aside from the good fundraiser part lol. We unfortunately break even or take a small loss by the time we replace battieries/servos/engines on the drones. We do it because people love it, and after all that is what we are here for as a club, to do things that the membership likes to do. I look forward to seeing you at the field. BTW if you want to come out earlier the dues are prorated.

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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 6:08:15 AM   
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See you next Saturday, I'll be a guest of JB. We are going to try our hand at IMAC next season. Should be a hoot!

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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 6:35:45 AM   
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What is the bottom line on the balls left out in the field?
Do they take care of them selves or not?

I may suggest a shoot to my club, but I would need to be sure about the balls in the field first

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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 7:31:59 AM   
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I would think they would use water soluble paint, and if the casings are gelatin, they should dissolve too. How long? Maybe til the next rain. Might have to hose those babies down after the games. LOL I'm just guessing. I've never seen any up close.

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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 7:42:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KidEpoxy

I cant argue with someone like him, I need an opponent that remembers the conversation.
you guys bat him around a while, I've got sticks to glue.



That's right, You are putting way to much into this. You need to drop it and get that b-24 finnished and I expect video of the maiden


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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 9:29:21 AM   
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We have done the paintball a number of times with AMA's knowledge. If AMA has a changed the rules that specifically state that we cannot have this event, we will not have it.
I believe you can get a waiver for anything under special rules request or whatever. The problem is the next guy that doesn't take the steps because they are not as organized as you. This is where the problem lies. Look outside your field for a moment. I don't know why they had to pull your specific field into this discussion, we were trying to debate biasedly, but there is always one guy who needs to make an example out of someone, and I guess your even fit the bill seeing it's the only paintball event listed on the AMA's website which you can search for.

What Carl sent me was not vague, it was pretty clear on the AMA's stance on the issue. And what others are "bashing" is not bashing, it's common sense. Not all planes are made of coroplast and not all paintball guns apply the same pressure. The problem is that if you want to be the guideline writer for the AMA then take a stand. Don't encourage others to walk in your shoes because the world is not a perfect place. Somewhere down the line of encouragement an accident WILL happen just as Carl stated. Since Corona is now labeled as the pioneer in the event of paintballing for RC, take advantage of the situation and continue to be the pioneer in a positive manner, don't try to exploit it.

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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 1:40:30 PM   
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Well as far as the paintballs go, if you were to see our field, there are some google earth pics either on this thread or another, you would see that it is not a problem, The paintballs dissolve and go away. It is an impressive paintball garden we create however! If you were to spend any amount of time with either me, my board, or my club members you would see that we definately have no intentions of exploiting anything. As far as being pioneers of paintball, I suppose that there are probably a lot of people out there that do it. If we are going to be pioneers of anything I would want it to be known as pioneers of safe paintball! I do not think for one minute that us having a paintball event is going to inspire leigons of people to do it unsafely. Trust me, if you are the type of person that would do something like this, it has already crossed your mind. Just to reiterate about the safety factor, (or to continue to beat that dead horse) We have been doing this for YEARS!, no issue. (whinney whinney, nay nay..................horse dead)

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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 1:55:20 PM   
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Anybody here read post#1, Tim the OPs actual thread question?
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there is a post in the crash section about club members purposly shooting down a trainer with airsoft pellet guns isnt this againt ama code



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As far as the AMA goes read rule number 3 of the code, that's the don't do dumb stuff rule. Of course the AMA is not a rulemaker only a decision suggester. While you most likely won't see a dime if you hurt someone, you could also lose your club charter. I think something like you saying is more well suited for a field, somewhere out in the sticks, not an AMA chartered club. Remember, AMA members are all in the same boat and if you do something dumb, it effects all the members



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Seems about a page or two ago, I figured if I can get him to say It Is Possible To Be Done Not Recklessly, then it would be a walk in the park to say if someone can make up safe rules, why not us.

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I don't know Kid, I guess I would have to see how the AMA presents such an offer. Then I guess the real answer comes in the shape of who gets hurt and who doesnt, that's the true answer to how safe it is. But these things don't happen overnite and I can bet the AMA won't be jumping into RC gunnery range mode for quite some time. Your talking about intentionally damaging a plane, but not only that, you are also talking about a gun on the other end. BB, Pellet, Paintball or Shotgun or whatever you want to use. I mean lets get real, do you think for a second the AMA would honor such a thing as a written event? No flippin way. Plus I think they have quite more to deal with then that at the present moment. The AMA's image is damaged enough, let alone to add ANY kind of gun into the equation.


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This is not about if it is safe, how safe it is, or what the activity is.
This is about conducting aircraft activity within the AMA code, which we assume is the Safety Code.


We have the real answer, from the other thread: Not one instance has been cited of folks getting hurt.
It was not against the code
That is the answer to Tims original question in thie thread

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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 2:07:53 PM   
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ok 67Stang
I have replaced the ribs from the 2LeftWings incident, and did get some glue on wood
Now Mr Right Wing is on its way to follow Mr Left Wing

If I can find somebody around here that is a Lager Drinker,
I may use Fosters cans for the 4 cowlings base material, but I cant stand the stuff.

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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 2:31:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: STLPilot

I believe you can get a waiver for anything under special rules request or whatever. The problem is the next guy that doesn't take the steps because they are not as organized as you. This is where the problem lies. Look outside your field for a moment. I don't know why they had to pull your specific field into this discussion, we were trying to debate biasedly, but there is always one guy who needs to make an example out of someone, and I guess your even fit the bill seeing it's the only paintball event listed on the AMA's website which you can search for.

What Carl sent me was not vague, it was pretty clear on the AMA's stance on the issue. And what others are "bashing" is not bashing, it's common sense. Not all planes are made of coroplast and not all paintball guns apply the same pressure. The problem is that if you want to be the guideline writer for the AMA then take a stand. Don't encourage others to walk in your shoes because the world is not a perfect place. Somewhere down the line of encouragement an accident WILL happen just as Carl stated. Since Corona is now labeled as the pioneer in the event of paintballing for RC, take advantage of the situation and continue to be the pioneer in a positive manner, don't try to exploit it.


What a bunch of stuff. Heck, let’s do encourage the activity so that it can evolve into another jewel in the crown of or sport. There are examples of enthusiasts that basically only participate in facets of the hobby such as combat or fun flys…this could be another fine addition.

STL have you ever seen Jerry Smith fly? I am sure you would probably say others should not attempt what he does…and once more you would be wrong…as usual.


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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 6:13:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: graze420

STL are you an AMA member? seeing as your so concearned over this event, ive asked you this 4 times now....HOW BOUT AN ANSWER?


Just as I figured...no answer from mister big mouth...edit to ensure fairness.

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STL your credibility is now in the balance…answer the question directly without spin if you are man enough…otherwise bid good day to us all and slither away.


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RE: ama rule - 10/25/2006 8:09:59 PM   
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The chirp, chirp of the crickets is deafening…What happened to STL’s 2.3 minute response times????? What will the excuse be this time?

Anyway, I hope to help put together a club event in which we paintball Stryker’s. For those that don’t know what a Stryker is; A Stryker is an all foam pusher type RTF combat plane that is extremely agile and resilient. We have been flying them here for quite awhile for combat with many (I do mean many!!!) incidences of midair collisions that simulates any damage that might occur while paintballing them without anything remotely considered unsafe or dangerous. If your club has not tried the Stryker I can only say you guys are missing some great fun. Get a Stryker and a paintball gun and have some fun! To heck with STL’s BS!



...chirp, chirp... chirp, chirp...chirp, chirp... chirp, chirp...

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RE: ama rule - 10/26/2006 2:21:40 AM   
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ok, lets all be nice.
All one big happy RCU family.
We dont want this thread to get locked while waiting. A seemingly common occurance at this stage of a disscussion.


As for folks seeing Club Regulated paintball events leading to them running out & doing unsafe stuff- would that be like folks seing BASE jumpers with parachutes jump of bridges, and lead to folks without chutes jumping off bridges?

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RE: ama rule - 10/26/2006 2:46:18 AM   
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Never tried it with the strykers, may have to pick one up and try it at the next event. I am happy to see that quite a few people have a good head on thier shoulder and are supporting this.

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