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Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/4/2006 7:04:05 AM   
Thunderchild



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Status: offline 		I have always used Angus Nitro in my fuel mix, however recently a chinese alternative has come on the market here in Oz with exactly the same purity claims as Angus.

Has anyone out there any first hand experience in using this stuff please that they would like to share?

Thanks

TC

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/4/2006 1:22:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Chinese is the only thing I'll use. I don't have a lot of experience with domestic nitro but I can say good things about Chinese stuff. I've used it for about 12 years. I find it is superior and seek it out over USA produced.

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/4/2006 2:44:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok I have used both "Angus" and chinese nitros

there is much debate about these two products being from the same scource in china

In the 3 years i have been making fuels professionally for RC i have to say the Chinese stuff wins hands down. it has more poke and the purity level is higher generally speaking

Angus nitro as stated on the Dow chemichal site is 98% pure, it is cut by 2 % with something , but as of the 18th Jan this year the US stopped supply of Angus nitro to australia

Chinese nirto depending on its sourse is anywhere from 99 to 99.9 pure

Interesting thing i have experienced, I bought Angus and Chinese nitro and had both tested and they were the exact same produt.

So either way its all good.

Anly stuff to watch out for is if the nitro has a chlorine smell, if it does id recommend not using it, i have and with little side effects and dang it has some poke but its not recommended for engine use

hope this helps !

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/4/2006 2:55:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sooo, what is wrong with VP nitro? Does the Chinese nitro use an indicator? If not what do you do to make sure it is safe?

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/5/2006 1:18:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks to alll for your prompt replies.

I have been told that the Chinese Nitro may contain an amount of acetone in the mix and perhaps also some methanol dillution. Are any of you aware of this (the use of acetone) and if so is it cause for concern?

Thanks again

TC

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/5/2006 5:48:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's no problem with acetone and some will even add it, especially with zero nitro fuels. Shell methanol has it as standard at 3%. I'm no expert on nitro but I believe that pure nitro can become shock sensitive which is why a dye is added to show if it's still safe or not. Diluting pure nitro with a tiny amount (maybe 1%?) of methanol stops it becoming shock sensitive. Or so I've read.....

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/5/2006 5:51:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Go with the Chinese stuff, it's great. I use it all the time.

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/5/2006 6:10:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks again guys,

Great stuff!!!!

TC

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/5/2006 6:30:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Doesnt make a difference. To be honest I think Angus Nitromenthane is over-rated. I have found NO difference between the two. There is nothing wrong with using the cheap stuff.

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/6/2006 3:13:00 PM   
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There's no problem with acetone and some will even add it, especially with zero nitro fuels. Shell methanol has it as standard at 3%. I'm no expert on nitro but I believe that pure nitro can become shock sensitive which is why a dye is added to show if it's still safe or not. Diluting pure nitro with a tiny amount (maybe 1%?) of methanol stops it becoming shock sensitive. Or so I've read.....


The dye is yellow and is required in all racing fuel in the US. Not sure if the methanol helps or not. But it buying nitro with a purity higher than the indicator percentage, then there is a greater chance that it would become shock sensitive. Unless I had equipment to take care of this I would worry about the fuel not having the indicator.


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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/7/2006 5:53:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nitromethane density is 1.13816 so its purity is rather easy to check using a scale and a (litre) cup.

I think every other soluble liquids are lighter, metranol density is 0.81

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/7/2006 6:05:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		How does that help you to detect that it is shock sensitive? It doesn't help one bit. I am not even sure the density changes when it becomes shock sensitive. It may degrade using all contents withoug gassing off, in which case the density may remain the same.

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/9/2006 9:44:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you suspect Nitro to become "shock sensitive" you should dilute methanol to it and destroy as official department has instructed. This is how I read the user booklet which comes with Nitro.

I even add some oil to the mixture and ...

There is a possible danger in Nitro. Mixed with Alkalines makes Nitro some sort of explosive.

I once mixed 2 litres Nitro with 2 litres AeroSave in 10 litre can and shaked. It become green so the yellow "marker product" did react correctly because AeroSave contains rust inhibitor which is some sort of alkaline.

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/11/2006 3:35:39 PM   
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If you suspect Nitro to become "shock sensitive" you should dilute methanol to it and destroy as official department has instructed. This is how I read the user booklet which comes with Nitro.


Without the dye you won't know if it is shock sensitive. How much methanol would you have to add to keep it form turning?

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RE: Chinese Nitro - Good or Bad Experience? - 10/11/2006 11:46:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe 60 to 70 percent methanol and 20 percent oil makes Nitro non explosive in cans. More volatile to fire hazard though.

Nitro must be mixed with something and it needs a shell to explode efficiently. So it should not happen when modeling.

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