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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 2:13 AM

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i do have training gears but they should make em so if you hit the wall with them the propellor wont hit anyways the reasy i go throught them is i thinnk because when i lose control i let go of throttle but the propellors keep spinning a while and it would hit something like a couch(cloth) then it breaks. I dont know why they brake so easy tho. Every flight i break one. ALso any suggestony on how to stop propellor faster like the tail(almost instantly)is there a way to tighten the gears to slow it down why i stop it?

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 2:27 AM

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weeweeboi ......... Not sure training gear would keep your blades from smaking things as they r to keep from the blades hiting the floor and training gear also give the heli a lower center of gravity and also act as stabalisers to make the heli less responsive to abrupt control inputs. As far as getting the blades to stop fast, i dont think that can be helped and makeing the gears tighter would put more stress on your motors and battery making for shorter flight times and burning up a motor faster. Just keep your training gear on and remeber to throttle back after you land when you get in trouble. Do you use a sim? Tony

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 2:30 AM

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i dont use a sim because i didnt want to spend do much money but i did try fms a little but its not that great

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 2:33 AM

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would you suggest super skids? would it help me more since the weights stablizes it more? also why does my main rotor head break if the wings fold up which adds a shock absorber? i no my propellors are loose so whata do you suggest for my problems?

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 2:48 AM

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I just purchase a Falcon 40 and have yet to fly it. I have a similar problem (as mentioned above) with the servos twitching/glitching when I plug the receiver in (Tx is turned on first). In addition, without moving the throttle stick the main rotor will move in a "twitching" fashion. Further, when you do advance the throttle stick about a quarter, the rotor initially won't move, then it takes off suddenly! I have new batteries in the Tx and have fully charged the Rx. Any ideas???

Check the throttle trim on the right side of your throttle stick. If it is all the way down it will take you to almost half throttle to get it to turn on. Mine is set JUST below halfway so as soon as you move the stick the blades start turning.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 3:00 AM

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l5jazzplayer,

The URL I posted is not mine. I found a ton of FMS info by doing a search in the Electric Heli forum. That's where I found the info about the step-by-step setup for ppjoy. After I got the transmitter to talk to the pc, I played around with the FMS settings to get it to work.

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By-the-way, I read the info on Radd's flight training. I will start tomorrow. I just need to get some connectors for the extra battery packs I have. Seems like a great place for me to start.

Did anyone install an "on/off" switch to their Falcon 40?

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Hi A10bolt,

Thanks for the step-by-step setup instructions for PPJOY. I tried to go to your URL but it doesn't work. After goinging through all the setup, my PC is "seeing" my transmitter, but the only thing that works is the tail. I tried to re-map the throttle to #1 which is what the PPJOY said was my throttle. While moving the stick it appeared to be backwards? 2 was the tail, which worked correctly. Since I couldn't get the copter off the ground I can only assume the the aeleron and rudder (3 and 4) were hooked up properly. Any other suggestions?

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 3:50 AM

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weeweeboi......... As far as your rotor core braking i couldnt tell you what to do about that. As i stated befor mine broke also and i didnt even hit anything or have a hard crash. it just broke from the head vibrating to much befor it spooled up. I think this is just a week point in the drive system but that could be a good thing as this could keep from more critical parts breaking somewhere else. Just make sure your flybar and paddles r ballanced good and you can also disconect the main motor to ballance the rotor. If any of this is off ballance that could put to much stress on the rotorhead core. To ballance the rotors add tape to the light blade or lightly sand the heavy blade. Remember to disconect the motor so they will swing freely. The directions in the falcon manual tell you how to balance the flybar.
As far as useing superskids, i would just stick with the training gear, they give a lower center of gravity like a said befor and alot more surface area than superskids for landing. They may not look cool like superskids but whats that matter when your just learing to fly.
When i get my new rotor head core in the mail im going to use the pin method through the bearing like talked about in the forum and this may help to reinforce the rotor core a ''little''. One more tip to. Carfull not to power up to fast, ease in the throttle. Just try to keep as much stress off the rotor head as possible. Hope this helps................. Tony

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 4:04 AM

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Tony,

I can't speak for everyone but the main reason I got the Superskids was because the stock one is very poorly design. A semi-hard landing and it will break, sometime in more than 1 places. I went through two sets in no time at all. Ordered/installed the Superskids and have yet to have a problem. I will say it does make the heli a little heavier, especially with training gears, but it's nice to not have to worry about them breaking.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 4:57 AM

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Tony,

I can't speak for everyone but the main reason I got the Superskids was because the stock one is very poorly design. A semi-hard landing and it will break, sometime in more than 1 places. I went through two sets in no time at all. Ordered/installed the Superskids and have yet to have a problem. I will say it does make the heli a little heavier, especially with training gears, but it's nice to not have to worry about them breaking.

I wouldn't say they are poorly designed. They are designed the way they are to take the stress away from the rest of the helicopter and to keep it as light as possible. The thing I have noticed about using mods is it really shifts the stress point to a new area that could end up costing you much more money. Of course this is only talking about crashing. Mods in general do help a great deal in stability and flight performance. To me a trainer is just that, a trainer. It really shouldn't need any mods as you want to put as little money into it as possible cause your gonna crash it and often. Wait on the mods for your next nice ship =)

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 5:15 AM

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J-cube i think im going to buy hitec HS55, they are almost same size and have more torque
plus they will last loads more than stock chinese servos

what ya think?

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 5:44 AM

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A couple of people seem to be looking for a metal rotor head core. There was a guy who was selling some on ebay. He used to post his auctions over in the Walkera DF4 thread. I bought one last September. Had a couple of problems with tolerances (hole for pin was slightly misaligned) but otherwise works OK. I cannot see any auctions from him on ebay as of right now. His seller ID was jacquesbeaupre102. The rotor head core was advertised as being for a Walkera DragonFly #4 (parts 100% interchangeable with F40 - it's the exact same model/heli). The price was $15.50 + $10 shipping. Rather pricey for what it is. And no, I am not selling mine.

Here is a link to the ebay auction post over in the DF4 group: http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=4758421

On the simulator - compared to the commercial sims FMS is IMHO bad when it comes to helis. After looking at a couple I decided on ClearView. The helis are decent and works OK with the F40 TX and PPJoy. I decided that it is OK to spend $30 on a flight simulator if the average part replacement order is between $20-$30 anyway.

You can get ClearView here: http://rcflightsim.com/index.html

Overall the F40 TX is not a great joystick/gamepad. Don't expect precision. Eventually I will buy one of those TX style USB joysticks but I haven't gotten there just yet.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 6:33 AM

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was it for the falcon 40? also has it broke or thrown off anything? anyways would you like to sell it to me. How much was it?

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 2:39 PM

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Doom,

I agree with you that this heli is a trainer and should not be modded. However, being a trainer, the landing gears should have been designed better. It didn't take much of a landing for me to bust the first set and after it couldn't be glued together anymore, I ordered some stock replacement. At $5 a shot plus shipping, it could get expensive real quick, not to mention the down time. To me, it was a good investment to spend a little extra on some skids that would hold up throughout my training, not to mention it looks damn good. To date, I've had many hard landings and zero damage to the skids or other frame structure. My last incident (lost control in a gust of wind) was a chipped blade and lost a bearing to the rotor head.

That being said, I'm sure others are smart to make their own assesments as to what they want to do with their hard earned ca$h. To me, it has saved me money and most important of all...Time.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 5:04 PM

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Hey, Thanks for the tip. i was able to buy about two feet of 2mm carbon fiber for what it would have cost for a replacement flybar. I used a piece of tape and a Dremel to cut the fiber. Thanks again

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... I took a nice moderately-controlled crash on the side, and snapped my flybar. Any pointers on where to get a new one? I'm going out of town on business next week, so waiting for the stuff to come in the mail won't be quite so painful.
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Go to your local hobby shop. They carry carbon fiber rod (2mm). Cut to size and install. Cheap, easy to get and fast (locally available).

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 5:20 PM

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ok, i relocated the antenna wire and the twitching stoppped. i turned on the transmitter set the throttle all the way down. Then i plugged the battery into the helo. I heard the receiver/gyro initialize. I went through all the controls left, right, forward, backward. The servos worked fine. Then i decided to get the blades spinning, so i idled it up slowly and nothing happened i had it full wide open before i decided something was not right not even the tail would spin. so i returned the throttle stick down, the tansmitter was still turned on and was walking over to retrieve my helo when it took off full throttle into the cieling. and stayed there i had to grab it by the skids and physically pull it down and it kept spinning for about 5 seconds then shutt off. ???ANY IDEAS??? now if i turn it on only the tail rotor spins so i plugged the tail rotor controler wire into the main rotor to check if its the motor or receiver and the motor starts sparking from inside, it turns but not with any speed. Whadda ya think?

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 10:13 PM

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when you turn in on wait for 15 second then slowly turn the throttle to about the 4-6 notch if nothing happens turn the throttle all the way down and try again. Next if this doesnt work turn the adjustment piece to the right of the throttle stick up all the way. Now try to accelrate. Also make sure your battery is fully charged and all your plugs are connected the connected correctly. If none of this works then your reviever and servo's could be glitching. About the sparking, thats normal in the motor.
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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 11:06 PM

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thanks wee, i tried that but nothing helped. The battery is fully charged. The tail rotor spins nicely but nothing at all from the main rotor.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 11:16 PM

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hey guys was a great day, I took my falcon 40 outdoors after practicing in a small room through 10batteries. i did great and flew the heli higher than my two level house!!! was soooo cool but so stressful.

anyway i still ended up crashing in a tree and broke the "guiding ring", and although its broken the heli seems to still be working properly, so am wondering, whats really the use of this part???? should I change it?

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/15/2007 11:45 PM

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I just flew mine for the first time, I got some 5 to 7 second hovers in my living room, Im charging up for another right now.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/16/2007 12:24 AM

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hey guys was a great day, I took my falcon 40 outdoors after practicing in a small room through 10batteries. i did great and flew the heli higher than my two level house!!! was soooo cool but so stressful.

anyway i still ended up crashing in a tree and broke the "guiding ring", and although its broken the heli seems to still be working properly, so am wondering, whats really the use of this part???? should I change it?

My guess is if you broke that ring, you got other parts that are broke and don't realize it. My assumption of the guiding ring is it provides extra support for the rotor head core and the sheer pin. Without it, the sheer pin will eventually open those holes wide enough that it just falls out.

Check the rotor head and see if you broke the rotor head core. a hit hard enough to break that part probably broke one of the supports going into the rotor head. Then again, you could have just been very lucky. =)

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/16/2007 3:14 AM

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TitaniumZX........ ah yes the ongoing battery? problem....I picked up some fuses at RS and put them inline with main and tail motors and thought what the hey, lets give it another whirl. Charged up the batt and again it flew for a couple minutes with full power then dropped way back as usual, only this time when the power jumped back up I started getting some serious glitching. The tail was swinging way rt , hold then swing way left then hold then back right again. When the power dropped back the glitching stopped.
When I shut it down, this time the main motor was hot... has never been hot before. I think the main motor is on its way out, glad I installed the fuses. Feel free to jump in here with any suggestions anyone may have.....new motor and batt should be here wed, hope,hope,hope.......

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/16/2007 6:00 PM

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you do need the guiding ring. it supports the rotor head and also it makes it possible for you to move forward/backwards. It tilts the blade foward/backward.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/16/2007 7:29 PM

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For those of you needing servos, I'm not sure if this is priced wrong but I paid $9.20 for two.

http://www.bananahobby.com/electric-rc-helicopters-rc-helicopter-parts-walkera-dragonfly--4-helicopter-parts.html

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/16/2007 8:17 PM

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I'll never buy another Walkera servo!

makatron, are you going to try the HS-55? I was just hoping that maybe someone else wanted to try these servos before I invested in some.

They're not that expensive on Tower Hobbies. Only $10 each. I may get some real soon whether you do or don't.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 1/16/2007 8:37 PM

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Have you tried repairing your servo? Mine stopped working, I opened it up, cleaned everything and it has been working like a champ since. Another thing you could do is plug it and manually move it while apply power.

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