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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 2:32:39 PM

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what is a good pinion press?

I used my bench vise - worked quite well. Just gotta mak sure you keep the motor STRAIGHT or you can bend the shaft.

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Actually on BL motor, it is difficult to mess it up. There is no diode and you can switch any two of the 3 wires and reverse the motor. The BL motor is only $16 on Hobbycity.com

That's a great deal, but remember you will still need a brushless ESC, and also a brushed-to-brushless converter. All told, it may cost $70 or more to go brushless. I did, and that's what I am using now. Next step is a brushless tail motor

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 3:25:04 PM

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Broggyr - Maybe instead of going to a brushless tail you could go this route. It would problably not cost too much more.
http://www.freestyle-hobby.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=199&osCsid=10911318a06272cbcddfb18de0a8f8f9

The cost there is in AU not USD. You'll have to use a currancy converter but I think that's around $80. If you go for $70 to convert the tail to BL it may be worth it. + I'm intrested to see how it works

From the vid on the page I looks cool but I think that's on a CP. If it'll work on a HBFP it'll work on the falcon.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 3:40:32 PM

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I saw that very thing! On their page, there is a currency converter - I chose US Dollars and it came out to US$93. That would be the best way to go for the best tail authority, or so I would guess. Just think - One Motor!

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 4:13:21 PM

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Ya that would be sweet. Still more $$$ than I am prepared to put into the Falcon. Would defeat the purpose for me to put a bunch of loot into this bird to make it fly more like a CP. With the $$ spent on BL conversion and that tail mod I could have my hands on a Belt CP! It does temp me though. I have had just about enough trouble with my tail that it makes me want to pony up the $$ for a mod just like that.
I wonder if you need any further electronics to make it work or if you can plug it into the rudder channel and you're all set? I also question the fact that the 370 brushed motor would have enough rear end to run the main and tail belt. I bet with your BL setup you'd have plenty of A@@ for it.

At this point I have only seen the site and have not heard of anyone actually putting this baby onto a FP. I could see it if I were flying a CP Pro or Axe or some other CP using a tail motor.

You seen the new and "improved" blade cpp2. Looks like they finally took the step toward making that little squirrl a belt driven tail.
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EFLH1350
I'm sure that'll go a long way to making the CPP more user friendly. I'm not intrested in a 300 class CP though. When I do go to CP I will certainly buy 450 or better but still looks like a solid improvment from eflight.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 4:35:36 PM

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I, due to unforeseen and still-unresolved OEM radio reception problems, had to scrap the OEM radio and 4-in-1. I bought a used Walkera 7ch Tx/Rx combo on eBay. I am now using full separates (Rx, ESC, Gyro, etc). I, too, didn't want to buy the conversion because for a bit more I could get a HBK2 - I already have the brushless motor. I would just need a 3rd servo for the tail blades and this would plug into the gyro, which plugs into the rudder channel. The OEM 4-in-1 doesn't have a rudder servo channel, only a tail motor outlet.

However, after I added the wooden blades, I'm not entirely convinced that I need to go that route yet (I still can't side-in or nose-in hover yet). I need more outdoor flying so I have more room for hover practice. The wooden blades behave so much better in a breeze than the plasties and are way more stable. Probably due to a much higher headspeed (they have only 8° of attack). They are also shaped more like a true airfoil, where the bottom is flat and the top is curved the underside is not concave like the OEM blades.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 4:35:43 PM

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I don't see the matching cnc head connector which is really what I need.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 4:37:31 PM

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Yeh I didn't see one either

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 4:39:00 PM

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to convert the tail to BL only cost $65. Including converter, Feigao/Losi BL motor and BL ESC.

TheSteve converter-dual channel brush to brushless for tail and main.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 4:51:06 PM

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You could've gone with TheSteve converter which is dual channel for $17. Not too late, you can still buy it and use it only for the tail. I have posted the photo of the tail with the Losi a few days ago. It is time consuming to fit in the Losi. The motor mount of a Losi 10,250 are external which you have to trim down in order to fit into the tail mount barrel. Also the tail mount needs lots of trimming. You should try the Feigao, like you said, it is a direct fit, just becarful not to use over length screws. The screws are in the Micro-T screw pack, I remember they are 5mm which need to be shortened otherwise they will cause damage to the motor. The ones that come with the recent Feigao motor shipment are too short. Anyway I have modified a number of FP to fully BL and the BL tail is the hardest one to do. Good luck and have fun.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 5/2/2008 5:08:17 PM

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to convert the tail to BL only cost $65. Including converter, Feigao/Losi BL motor and BL ESC.

$65...$70 when for 93 you could have a belt driven and never have to worry about a tail motor again or the trouble of all the trimming.installation woes you were speaking of. I don't know. BL setup on the Falcon is just not pratical for my goals. I simply want this for a trainer. My brushed system is working flawlessly at this point with stable hovers and decent FT's it's plenty good enough to accomplish all I have the skill to ask of it(which isn't much

)

I am a bit jealous of you and broggyr's setups though. I bet they fly great!! I'd like to give one a try sometime but just not for me right now. Maybe once I progress to the CP I might revisit the thought of upgrading the Falcon for use in stupid human tricks. Wouldn't want to damage an expensive heli through foolishness but the Falcon is cheap to fix so who knows what will happen down the road.

At any rate it's an intresiting discussion.

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I don't see the matching cnc head connector which is really what I need.

From what I understand the remainder of the head will be coming out sometime in July. This will entail making every part CNC. I'd like to pick up a core and head for sure. I think those would be the 2 most broken parts for me. The whole thing would provide a tighter head and higher levels of fine control which may make the Falcon as stable as a bigger CP! Probably end up costing you $75 or more for all of em though.

Broggyr - What woodies are you using? I'd like to check them out. Not entirely sure if the 370 brushed would have enough umph to get it up. With the stock blades I wasn't able to get mine outta ground effect with the added weight of the stock pack. Having no experience with the woodies I'm not sure what kinda lift they provide VS the stock scooped blades. Could you post a link so I can have a look. It may be a case of me just ordering a pair and giving em a shot!

Happy hovering all!!!

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