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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli... - 7/2/2008 4:43:52 AM   
broggyr



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Status: offline 		It took me about 2 weeks to get 10-20second hovers. Hang in there, you'll get it - everyone else started at the beginning also...


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli... - 7/2/2008 12:37:53 PM   
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...After looking at these videos on youtube, I thought Falcon 40 is a piece of cake to hover and fly but that was not the case...It is not for beginners for sure in my opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBkzVaamoc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKoLe3P7qPQ&feature=related



Funny thing - the 1st one is the same video I saw last Christmas which persuaded me to buy my Falcon! Yeah, looks easy.... not! Took me almost 50 flights before I was able to hover through a full battery.

6 months later and I still can't fly this thing nose in or even do decent circuits around the yard, and yes, I still crash. But the parts are really cheap (Thanks Michael!) and I don't mind tinkering. It is a challenge to fly.

Just last week I finally got my CopterX 450 completed and out for her maiden flight. I know now my Falcon 'training' has paid off to some degree. I was able to get her up into a hover right away without any problems (or training gear) and I'm ahead of the curve with orientation. The greater stability of the CX is definitely a factor, but I know I got alot of my training crashes out of the way on the Falcon which is much, much easier on the old Visa.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed hel... - 7/2/2008 3:18:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been flying since Christmas 07 and I still have trouble with side & nose-in - it's all about the practice.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed hel... - 7/2/2008 3:46:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with the above poster Jake. Patience is the key. The Falcon is not a simple bird to fly however it's just durable as heck compared to any CP bird. It IS for a beginer. You will pay out so much more money trying to learn single rotor with any CP bird. Parts cost more and things break more easily due to the higher headspeed and greater number of moving parts. Most days I can crash the Falcon, pick her up and straighten the blades and go. Never the case with a CP heli. So far as the Lama VS Falcon thing goes you can't even really compare them. Coax helis are designed for stability. The upper floating blade completly counteracts the movments of the lower blades thus limiting preformance but making for a stable bird. They are alot of fun. I have a CX2 that I beat the crap out of just for fun but the only real thing that translates over to single rotor is orentation on the sticks. You will have to use the stick to be that upper rotor on the Falcon. Counteract the helis moves with small stick inputs. Letting go of the stick dosen't stop it like it did with the lama you know. You gotta do it. Don't sell it Jake. A little practice and you'll be hovering tail in and working towards more.

I have flown about 180 packs through mine and I am just learning nose-in. It just takes some time. You'll make it.

Good Luck

Uri

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed hel... - 7/3/2008 2:30:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I took the training wheels back off tonight because of the lack of thrust to get off the ground. I read in another thread about tight blades makes a better hover and I figured why not got another set of blades so I tightened them down. I had a little fear but throttled up anyways, nothing. At full throttle I got about 9 inches of air. I was supprised however that I was able to keep it there within a 4 foot area until I used the tail rotor to get back to tail in. Took enough away from the rotor to set me back down. Now I don't know if it was the tight blades or just the thought of it that relaxed me enough to keep my fingers moving enough to stay fairly still. Either way the short flight got me wanting more so what do I need to do? I've heard motors, but I'm leaning more towards battery at the moment. Whats the verdict? Battery, motor, or both? I'm beginning to wonder if I need a very small extension cord to hook to it to keep it in the air

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed hel... - 7/3/2008 3:18:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Creteus, my bet is motor, but it could be the battery, 9 times out of 10 it's the motor especially if you have 20 or more flights on the stock motor. Get a Slo Max or the Century Mabuchi Gold motor to replace it with.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed hel... - 7/3/2008 3:21:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		anyone interested in buying 2 and a half falcons?? lots of new parts, mabuchi gold motor, blades, tail motors, direct drive tail motor, superboom, superskids, 4 new frames, extra 4n1, a load of batteries, 2 lipos. and much more..

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed hel... - 7/3/2008 12:28:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: creteus

...Whats the verdict? Battery, motor, or both? I'm beginning to wonder if I need a very small extension cord to hook to it to keep it in the air


I vote motor. If you've read through this thread you'll find few folks who have gotten more than a couple dozen flights out of the stocker.

I love my Century... I lost track but was well over 150 flights a month ago and still going strong. Don't forget to break in, remove the stickers, use a heat sink, and install the diode from your stock motor.

The extension cord is a good idea but you really don't want the additional weight of a transformer on your bird

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed hel... - 7/3/2008 12:33:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Creteus, I just got my F40 last Friday and got an extra battery, one of them was bad and at full charge would get me anly a few inches off the ground for maybe 60 seconds. If you only have 1 battery buy another and try it, you need more than one anyway, if you still get low flight times with another battery it's probably your motor as Bones said.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed hel... - 7/3/2008 2:29:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would think motor as well given you have the same issue with both of your batteries. It is a good point about the batteries though. I had two stockers and they didn't do it for me either. Especially if you are running training gear. When I was the stock batteries were not getting me off the ground at all. It's the combination of the weight of the battery and the weight of the superskids with training wheels. I took the gear off and chucked in a lipo from my CX2 and have never looked back. If you want to try a new battery don't order another stocker. Go ahead and pick up a lipo. You won't regret it. If you don't have a charger for it you can pick up one of the RTF eflight stock charger for a song. As a matter of fact I have my original eflight lipo charger for my CX2 that I would be glad to give up for the cause. If you decide to go lipo it's yours. As far as replacment motors go I would agree with bones reccomendation. Eithere the slo-max or the century gold. You can buy both at www.towerhobbies.com. I have also considered giving that new Xtreme productions brushed 380 bb motor a go. Michael has it in stock at www.ushobbysupply.com.

Now on to my huge problems. I hope someone here may have an idea to help me get back in the air. I have no issues getting the Falcon in flight like normal, with servo response, or with the whole 3-1 arming process. I will fly normally for a couple of minutes and then suddenly I will have a forward left servo pull followed immediately by a complete cut in all rotor power both main and tail. As expected the Falcon falls like the stone it is without power. Ususally the motors will start spinning again right around the time it hits the ground. I can than take off and fly normally for a couple more minutes until the problem reoccurs. Just a reminder I am now running 2.4ghz ar6200 and a CPP 3-1 and until I get my DX6i back the CX2 controller. Last night I pulled everything apart looking for wire shorts. There are none. I went over it at least 5 times. Everything is insulated and there is not a single wire showing through insulation. I desoldered all of my motor connections and put them back on. I have looked at everything physical and nothing is wrong. When the problem occurs the 3-1 has to rearm and the Rx has to reconnect. I had exactly this issue with my CX2 a while back and it ended up being a capictor came loose on the main motor. That is why I made sure everything was well soldered and nothing was loose. Any ideas. I can't really fly at all and with this 3 day weekend coming up it really bums me out. Come to think of it last time I had a 3 day weekend I was grounded. The heli gods are cruel sometimes.

Thanks,

Uri

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed hel... - 7/3/2008 4:35:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe it's a weak or otherwise defective connection inside the 4-in-1?


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