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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 1:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		main gears are still good on the cp. just one of the wooden blades i cracked think i could fix it but i order the training blades for it then i will get some better ones.but as for the falcon when i hooked it up the main blades were going backwards so i crossed the wire around now it spins right will that hurt the 4&1?i got the red wire going to the black and the black going to the red with 10 amp fuses on both.I think the guy put them on the motor wrong.I also put the xtrem 380 on the and it sounds nice just cant wait to one day fly it.Is the main frame weak on the falcons or is it from the guy crashing it then putting super glue on it?


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 3:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Running the motor backwards won't hurt the 4in1.

The main frame has a real weak spot where the tail boom connects. Some guys reinforce it there with epoxy etc to try to keep it from breaking. I've broke one tail boom - I broke it trying to take it out of the mainframe. Never broke one in a crash. But I just broke the 4th mainframe in the same spot - came down hard on the tail and broke the frame instead of the the tail boom.

I'm not sure if it's possible to fix a broken mainframe with glue, I'd say the odds are pretty close to zero. I would guess the guy tried to add some strength to a good frame to keep it from breaking. If the tailboom feels solid and doesn't wobble I'd just fly 'till it breaks. And it will break, get some extra frames.

Hard to tell from pics, but it looks to me like the new 2.4 ghz version has the same weak spot. Wish someone would market a better one. Maybe Simon could do a cnc version?

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 3:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Michael at US Hobby Supply has frames on sale 2 for 1 pricing.

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I was looking at the explodeds of the v2, the frame appears to be the same, just a bolt on to accomadate the new LG.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 3:43 PM   
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Michael at US Hobby Supply has frames on sale 2 for 1 pricing.

https://www.ushobbysupply.com/product_info.php?products_id=54

I was looking at the explodeds of the v2, the frame appears to be the same, just a bolt on to accomadate the new LG.


2 of 'em for 7.50 is a great deal, and Michael does that a lot. But I'd gladly pay 30 or 40 bucks for one that won't break every time I forget that pulling the stick back doesn't make it go up like when I'm flying a plane.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 3:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		You and me both on an unbreakable frame, but at half price at least it is chaep to repair, just time consuming.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 4:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even at 7.50 for 1 frame the price is more than fair and competitive. Michael is great about about keeping the normal prices realistic, unlike many major supermarkets who mark stuff up 20%, then give you a 20% discount when you show 'em your card and sell it to you normal price (cough sputter safeway cough) When Michael cuts us a deal it really is a deal.

But like you said, it's the one repair I really hate to make because it takes so long.

I'm looking for some sort of small connectors to use on the tail motor. I hate to have to unsolder that thing every time. I just know eventually soldering and unsoldering those wires I'll get it too hot and ruin a perfectly good motor.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 4:50 PM   
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Well david is the man the 4&1 works great now the only problem is the guy i bought the falcon off of sold me crap so now got main rotor shaft on order. he also had the main frame super glued together what i joke.. May be one day i will get to fly . starting to get disapointed got to tell my self to hang in there. after all the money i put in to this.After i replace that then the hole thing is going to be new should of just got a new one. oh well ushobby is making some money off me. We may be back in a week or so And Thanks David for fixing that for me..


Welcome. Glad to hear the 4in1 works. That sucks about the falcon. Hopefully this will be the last thing you'll have to replace (before you start breaking stuff yourself! )

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 4:52 PM   
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2 of 'em for 7.50 is a great deal, and Michael does that a lot. But I'd gladly pay 30 or 40 bucks for one that won't break every time I forget that pulling the stick back doesn't make it go up like when I'm flying a plane.


superskids! The strut/tail fin really help to support the boom. I've dropped mine from 10ft into the road w/o anything breaking (just make sure you cut the throttle).

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 5:13 PM   
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but as for the falcon when i hooked it up the main blades were going backwards so i crossed the wire around now it spins right will that hurt the 4&1?i got the red wire going to the black and the black going to the red with 10 amp fuses on both.I think the guy put them on the motor wrong.I also put the xtrem 380 on the and it sounds nice just cant wait to one day fly it.Is the main frame weak on the falcons or is it from the guy crashing it then putting super glue on it?



Could you take a picture of what your talking about? If you swap the wires, the diode (black canister w/ silver stripe) might now be backwards. Or when I get home I can take a picture of mine.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 6:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		at this time i got no camera need to buy one ex got it in the divorce. about the wires i just resadered them on the motor this time then i put the the new motor on did the same thing so i redid that  the to.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 7:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		After a summer of no progress on side in, I decided to try a different approach.

Dusted off and charged the lama 4 and after a couple of battery packs I can pretty much control it. When I can do it without thinking about right/left I'll try the falcon again.

Edited out a few comments I made during flight (forgot the camera was there) and a section at the end where I was looking back and forth at the heli and neighbor (camera is mounted on a helmet, it looks where I look).

And there's the sound of one school bus after another in the background, so I turned it down and added a little mood music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PokHz13yy_k

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 7:44 PM   
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at this time i got no camera need to buy one ex got it in the divorce. about the wires i just resadered them on the motor this time then i put the the new motor on did the same thing so i redid that  the to.


D'Oh... When I get home, I'll take a picture, and point out what I mean, and you can check it on yours.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/21/2009 7:48 PM   
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After a summer of no progress on side in, I decided to try a different approach.

Dusted off and charged the lama 4 and after a couple of battery packs I can pretty much control it. When I can do it without thinking about right/left I'll try the falcon again.


That seemed pretty smooth. More stick time, any way you can get it, it always good.

I've been working on nose-in. I went back to Radd's to "fly the box" with nose in, so I could wire that direction into my brain. I then went back and forced myself to put the heli nose-in on the ground and try to lift off. If it get too far off, I drop it, move it back and start again.

I'm up to about 10-20 secs of nose-in lift off.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/22/2009 12:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		So anybody in this forum try this product with their falcon 40?
 They call them Super blades and they come in two flavors, the ez version claims to allow hands free hover with a well trimmed heli

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/22/2009 3:13 AM   
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at this time i got no camera need to buy one ex got it in the divorce. about the wires i just resadered them on the motor this time then i put the the new motor on did the same thing so i redid that  the to.


So this is what I'm referring to (and I'm not sure how your set up is). The silver band on the diode (black cylinder running across the top of the motor) needs to be closest to the red wire (which ever is your "red" now).

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/22/2009 3:16 AM   
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So anybody in this forum try this product with their falcon 40?
 They call them Super blades and they come in two flavors, the ez version claims to allow hands free hover with a well trimmed heli

www.super-skids.com/superblades.htm


I haven't, but I know they've been in development for a while (the person who runs super skids is on the forum). And knowing how good their other products are, I would tend to believe him. Now, what difference it makes, if you have a properly balanced heli to begin with, I can't say.



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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/22/2009 3:57 PM   
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So anybody in this forum try this product with their falcon 40?
 They call them Super blades and they come in two flavors, the ez version claims to allow hands free hover with a well trimmed heli

www.super-skids.com/superblades.htm


There are a couple of people on the HoneyBee FP thread that have bought them, but haven't tried/wrote about them yet.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/23/2009 3:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok sorry this picture is from my cell phone but this is the stock on there was no bar on it .the next picture i will send is the xtrem 380 and it also went backwards so i just changed the wires around. and i got my dd tail hooked up now to love how it sounds..


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/23/2009 3:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		heres is the xtrem 380,well never mind i will just go get me a camera in a few days sorry and thanks for all the help...


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/23/2009 5:53 PM   
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ok sorry this picture is from my cell phone but this is the stock on there was no bar on it .the next picture i will send is the xtrem 380 and it also went backwards so i just changed the wires around. and i got my dd tail hooked up now to love how it sounds..


Hard to tell with that picture.

Be careful when switching around wire. The cheaper motors are designed to run well in one direction, and will run in the opposite direction, but with a possible reduced life. If you flip back to page 237 post #5910 you can see a picture of a stock motor that eventually died. The brushes are bent in such a way that in one direction they slide over the shaft, but if you spin it in the opposite direction, they *could* catch and bend.

Just something to be aware of.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/23/2009 6:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		k well heres a question could it be the switches on the back of the controllor cause both the moters did that. there are numbers 1-8 the only ones that are fliped up are 1,3and 4 the rest are down.The new motor i have is that xtrem 380 and it did the same thing i dont know i will just use them until the burn the get a new stock one.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/23/2009 7:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fishman, It will not hurt the extreme motor to reverse the wires on it.  Same with the tail motor.  As a matter of fact, I am flying the slo-max 300 that is no longer made, and have been for over a year, with the motor leads reversed.  As to the switches on the back of the transmitter, they do not control which way the tail and main motor turn. They are for servo reversing.  As you have noticed, there are some extra switches on the transmitter that do nothing.  Same story with the channel reversing switches on the back. So just wire your motor so that it runs in the proper direction and go fly.

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p.s. you also don't have to have the diode installed. Also you don't want another of those crappy oem main motors.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/23/2009 9:47 PM   
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They are for servo reversing.  As you have noticed, there are some extra switches on the transmitter that do nothing.  Same story with the channel reversing switches on the back. So just wire your motor so that it runs in the proper direction and go fly.


The first 4 DIP switches do something

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1. Tail rotor blade [ON]
2. Flybar paddle [OFF]
3. Elevator [ON]
4. Throttle [ON]
5-8. Not used [OFF]


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p.s. you also don't have to have the diode installed. Also you don't want another of those crappy oem main motors.

No, you don't need it. There *is* suppose to be diode protection on the board, but they either didn't trust it, or the motors came with diodes all ready installed.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/24/2009 5:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		thanks for the info..k..lol more questions for you all. well i am waiting for the gear shaft to get here for the falcon but got my new blades for the cp so i took it out to the park and i got it in a good tail hover for about 3 mins. then out of no where the main gear striped.. pissed me off was doing so good.Now could that of been from my last crash or is it that the main gear and the gear on the motor were not tight?  when i pulled it out it dose not look like i can move the motor at all. is there a way to make them closer together? and $30 to much for a upper main gear..if they strip out that much.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 10/24/2009 3:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok never mind i found the motor mount and i know i check all the screwsand made them all tight but forget to check the spacing in the gears.live and learn. so when i get my gear the best thing to do is use somepaper to space it right?

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