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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/3/2006 4:47:13 PM   
robotronski


 

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ORIGINAL: rnicholson

Falcon 40 vs the Falcon 3D what would be the deciding factors of one over the other?


Welcome.

1st of all, have you succesfully flown an electric mini-heli before?

Any Simulator time under your belt?

How are you flight orientation skills?

These are big deciding factors in my opinion.




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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/3/2006 4:59:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very good quesitons.

Welcome.

1st of all, have you succesfully flown an electric mini-heli before? NO

Any Simulator time under your belt? Some time.

How are you flight orientation skills? Not sure exactly what is meant by this statement.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/3/2006 5:25:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Orientation skills refer to how well can your brain switch over to applying the correct transmitter stick movements when you are looking at the side of the helicopter instead of at the tail end pointing back at you, canopy facing forward.

How about when the nose is facing you? (Nose-In orientation as it is called)

Left is the "NEW Right" and your forward in now your reverse. It can be overwhelming for a begginer at 1st.

But guess what, it was hard for everybody else who started flying before you did and they all fly good now, so YOU CAN TOO!!!

Spend as much time on the sim as possible. It really helps with orientation issues!!!!


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/3/2006 6:17:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the info. I've tested the gyro using the ol' spin it at low thottle method, and it does kick in, it's just that at certain times when I try to dial out the twitchiness, that it will completely cut out in mid flight unannounced, causing a spin out and of course, land hard/crash. Sometimes it will come back on if I lower the throttle, but usually by then I've lost my orientation and almost landed.

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/3/2006 6:45:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slo-V, I wonder if somehow you over-adjusted the gyro gain potentiometer?

Those buggers are tiny and too delicate in my opinion. THe little "Wiper" that moves when you turn it with a screwdriver is easliy damaged if you turn it past its normal stopping point. On a bigger potentiometer, there is pretty good tactile feedback telling you to stop twisting the adjustment, on the little fellas' they don't have much say in the matter and all of a sudden its " WHOOPS!!! I think I turned it too far."

Sometimes you will hear a faint clicking sound when you try to turn it past the point odf destruction. Gee, why would I know that ???

Poor little fella....

Not sure whats your exact problem, but a "Glitchey" Pot can surely make a tail dance around when you least expect it to.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/3/2006 6:59:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		No I haven't ...... "clicked" it. I can feel it stop at full travel, both the Gain and the other pot (can't remember what it's called). It will either twitch or it just won't work reliably. But that's ok, I can fly it even though it looks like it had a cup too many of coffee.

Oh, and I JUST got my Falcon 40 droppe doff by fedex I ordered from Xheli. I opened up the package. Wow... small box, even the shipping box was just a snug fit, instead of the big ol' box filled with airbag stuff like Hobbytron.com does.. it's cool. Everything looks ok though.

Now to charge this sucker up and give it a go. Already I can tell it uses the "dull" kind of plastic I'm accustomed to seeing in my other r/c stuff (trucks, Blade CP) so it should be more stronger/consistent, than the "shiny" flexible type plastic on my DK2.

Aside from aesthetics..... the blade grips are so tight! I gotta loosen those up quite a bit if I'm to get them to self balance in flight. I'm guessing that's usual for shipping purposes?

AUW with batt. 11.0 oz (7.9oz empty)! And it's noticebly smaller than my DK2. Hopefully that won't work against its stability.

Edit: The manual doesn't state anywhere about adjusting the gyro, though I noticed a small pot on the 4-in-1, AND I noticed the pitch links are none adjustable as well, so I'm hoping the blades won't go out of track (though I think I might be able to use some Blade CP spares if need be and replace the stock ones). Oh, and WOW that's a long antenna on the radio!!

Ok enough talk. I'll report more on the flight later tonite!



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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/4/2006 12:08:33 AM   
Slo-V Flyer



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Status: offline 		Ok so I've put 2 batteries through it so far.

Two words: WOW EZ!

I mean, man this thing almost flew itself into the air right out of the box. ALL I had to do was move the trim tabs a couple notchs here and there, and voila! Didn't want to wander allll over the place like my DK2, or Blade CP for that matter. Hovers at a hair over half throttle using the provided 7-cell battery. I just wish they'd last longer. That'll be another step up for me later.

As I mentioned, no adjustable pitch links/control rods. And now that I paid attention to the main blades, I can see why you can't really adjust the individual pitch. Well, unfortunately there was noticeable vibration, and blade tracking was off by almost a quarter inch or more. The only way I could think of fixing it lacking the threaded pitch links, I checked and readjusted the flybar paddles' angles and weights, until the blades spun truer, and whole heli ran smoother and had lesser vibration.

Oh, and as for the gyro, I didn't have to touch any settings except move the rudder trim a few clicks over. Spot on and hardly *any* twitching, except for a slow drift, which is manageable anyway. Very responsive gyro even during a burst of throttle. I could just barely hear the tail motor whirring intermittently as it worked its magic. BIG difference from my DK2!

I didn't think the smaller size (compared to DK2) would be as stable as it is in a hover. But it is. I can see why so many people have an easy time with this thing. And it's pretty quiet too for a heli! It actually wants to stay hovering as I tried to carefully nudge it forward and such. The blades flex upwards during flight so I'm thinking that creates a sort of self-stablizing effect like the wing dihyderal in trainer airplanes.

Best bang for the buck ($85+$9 ground shipping) as far as my experience goes! If Exceed has any consistancy in its helis, I might get myself the Raptor G2 for some more stable outdoor flying fun.

Definitely recommend the Falcon 40 to any one looking for a cheap 4ch. fixed pitch heli.

Later![ 8D]

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/4/2006 10:33:36 PM   
zingablack


 

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Status: offline 		dont get a raptor g2 totally unstable for me even after 1 year of flying all kind of helis to complex for someone who is just used to fixed pitch helis research the t-rex its more expensive but well worth it compared to the raptor!!!!


raptor is a bad heli

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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/5/2006 1:11:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Slo-V, Yeah its an easy flyer alright. Because its so easy, my confidence has skyrocketed. I now can fly my collective heli (22E) in the wind with confidence. The best thing I've done in my training is getting that Falcon 40 to learn on. On my Falcon 40, the flybar paddles were way out of whack when I opened the box as well. I didn't even fly it till I dialed it in. I even went so far as breaking in main and tail motors. While I had the motor out I used that opportunity to balance the entire rotor system. I even went over the leading edges of the blades with sandpaper to knock off the molding flash. Good thing I did as last week I did a "STOOPID" and put my hand in the spinning rotor while doing a test on an adjustment. OUCH!!!

Oh and I have my main blades very loose in the holders. So loose that they flop when I hold heli sideways. Before doing this, I had a few run ins with vibration going on while in flight. Seems as though aerodynamic loads caused the rotors to move out of optimum alignment and a serious vibration takes over. Made the heli almost impossibel to land. Now I just spool up and the blades sling-out to optimum alignment evey time. I get a small shakey/wobble as I spool up and then a very smooth flight. I do check the phillips screws on the blades a lot more often though.

Also I ordered a 7.4v LiPO (around 1200mAH???) and will report how that goes. Should be lighter than stock NiMh setup. Oh, and watch out for the battery charger that was shipped with the Fal 40. It pumps out tons of juice and will cook you pack if left unattended. You've had other helis before, you know the drill I'm sure.

Oh, and I like your Airborne Videos you uploaded. What camera is that?? Are you transmitting video to ground and recording there or are you actually flying the complete recorder.

I have a GWS slo-stick (100% stock), and was thinking about doing the same here with that plane.

Well, glad to hear your flying good with that Falcon 40.


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RE: Falcon 40 (Exceed heli) Forum - 11/5/2006 3:53:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Robo,

If you don't mind, can you create a tuturial of all the adjustments you described (pics would be helpful)? I just got a Falcon 40 and have yet to take it out of the box because of the windy condition. I just want to make sure everything is right before attempting to fly it.

I got an Eagle 50 for my first heli and it was more than I could handle...just too many adjustments. I plan on practicing with the Falcon 40 outdoors and the Lama V3 indoors. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

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