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Your AMA at Work - 1/15/2003 8:44:52 AM   
Hossfly



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Status: offline 		AMA President and Staff Meet with Transportation Security Administration in Washington D.C. to Discuss Transportation of Model Aircraft and Equipment on Airliners
(January 14, 2003)
For Immediate Release

Academy of Model Aeronautics (AMA) president Dave Brown, National Aeronautic Association (NAA) president Don Koranda, AMA Technical Director Steve Kaluf, and AMA Programs Director Jay Mealy met with senior officials of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) on Friday January 10, 2003 to discuss the transportation of model aircraft on airliners.

This initial meeting providing a sharing of information between the two organizations; AMA provided information to TSA regarding the types of materials its membership has to transport as checked baggage and detailed a few problems that have been noted by AMA members in the post-September 11 era.

TSA has offered to work with AMA to develop an adequate screening procedure and training materials (for TSA screeners) to ensure the models and equipment are thoroughly screened, but not mishandled or mistaken for actual threat items. The first phase of this will be for AMA to provide different types of models for examination at the TSA Tech Center. The Tech Center will examine the models and equipment with the same type of screening equipment used by the airports for ETD (Explosive Trace Detection) and EDS (Explosives Detection) to identify any materials that could cause a problem during normal screening procedures. AMA staff will also be on hand to answer questions or demonstrate proper handling methods of the models and equipment.

AMA's goal is to provide any needed information to TSA allowing it to educate its staff and screeners, further to provide to the AMA membership instructions on how to prepare models and equipment for transportation on commercial airliners to be in compliance with all regulations. Once the training of the TSA staff is complete and AMA members are properly instructed, we are hopeful that travel by airlines with models and equipment will be safe and as consistent as possible.

Steve Kaluf
Technical Director


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WHAT? - 1/15/2003 9:27:01 AM   
Heavybird



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Status: offline 		Is the transportation of model airplanes on commercial flights something that happens on such a regular basis that it in fact indangers all modelers abilities to fly our models? I am just curious. Why did the AMA (brass) feel the need to meet with the TSA or did the TSA call the AMA?

If the AMA took it upon themselves to make this trip, what did it cost us, does anyone know? And what are the benifits to us average guys?

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Fantastic! - 1/15/2003 9:34:46 AM   
mr_matt



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From: Oak Park, CA,
Status: offline 		This is great news!

We used to fly all of the time, my turbine jet was made to fit in a case made just to check as baggage, and we have given this up since 9-11.

Cudos to the AMA!! If they are successful this will greatly increase my enjoyment of hte hobby!

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Your AMA at Work - 1/15/2003 9:36:08 AM   
ilrcflyboy



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From: Bloomington, IL, USA
Status: offline 		This will help prevent the TSA from confiscating our transmitted batteries that we find for a bargain while on vacation. Whew Hoo!

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Travel - 1/15/2003 12:08:44 PM   
Dave Bowles


 

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Status: offline 		This will also help the R/C Car and boat guys who do quite a bit of traveling for state, regional and national events

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Your AMA at Work - 1/15/2003 7:33:54 PM   
rsallen13



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Status: offline 		Something positve! You also have to understand that checked baggage also applies to crated items on FedEx planes. TSA is working with FedEx, UPS and other shippers to develope guidelines for better sceening of packages going on Feight Aircraft. A fully loaded 767 is still a fully loaded 767 whether it is carrying packages or people. They both can make a big hole.

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Your AMA at Work - 1/15/2003 10:24:21 PM   
TopShelf



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Status: offline 		This is an excellent example of the good that AMA does. What else has the AMA done recently that can demonstrate what our dues help support?

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Your AMA at Work - 1/15/2003 10:26:46 PM   
paero-RCU


 

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From: Oconomowoc, WI,
Status: offline 		Heavy Bird, read the post carefully. It says they outlined some problems that AMA members had made them aware of. There has been so much AMA "bashing" here lately, this is one time that the AMA is responding to some concern by members. Give the AMA a break!!!!

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Your AMA at Work - 1/15/2003 10:30:29 PM   
vinnie



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From: hollywood, MD, USA
Status: offline 		Yeah! They coulda taken more than 4 guys but they didn't!
I feel a lot better now.

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Your AMA at Work - 1/16/2003 3:58:40 AM   
JohnW



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From: Lincoln, NE, USA
Status: offline 		Hey Vinnie, you get a bargain... only three guys were from the AMA, not four.

I'm glad to finally see something positive about the AMA in this forum. For awhile there I figured this forum needed to be renamed to "I hate the AMA and other things I don't understand."

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Your AMA at Work - 1/16/2003 8:08:19 AM   
vinnie



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Status: offline 		Sorry MB, I was reading so fast I couldn't count to 4 properly.
Yet I managed to count to 58 just fine....go figure.

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The AMA Does alot, also takes member involvement - 1/17/2003 6:00:28 AM   
vpresley



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From: Colorado Springs, CO, USA
Status: offline 		The AMA does alot for all, as it should. It will never cater to individuals, or small groups. That is probably the biggest reason for most of the hyperbole on this sight. "Yeah they should do that", is usually mumbled by the individual or small group who wants something without working for it. In a recent magazine article, a well known Modeling person made some rather self serving remarks when talking about his dealings with the AMA. 1. I wanted to do this but they wouldn't let me, there buttheads. 2 this limit here sucks, there buttheads. 3 this requirement sucks, there Buttheads. Everyone else does it, why cant we? Not the exact words but you get the idea. guess if he didnt' get immediate satisfaction from you, you were a butthead, so of course the AMA is the problem, not maybe him ? The AMA and its magazine is FOR ALL OF MODEL AVIATION, not one small part. Without the magazine listing all the numbers to call and Depts available, most people wouldn't know how to contact the AMA. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DONT LIKE THE MAGAZINE, donate it to your nearest school or kid on the block. That reflects better upon you than just burning it,or throwing it away. Hey that could be your way to promote the AMA, jeez who would of thought of that ?

Vince Presley

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Re: WHAT? - 1/18/2003 12:03:44 AM   
xp8103



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From: Augusta, ME, USA
Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Heavybird
Is the transportation of model airplanes on commercial flights something that happens on such a regular basis that it in fact indangers all modelers abilities to fly our models? I am just curious. Why did the AMA (brass) feel the need to meet with the TSA or did the TSA call the AMA?

If the AMA took it upon themselves to make this trip, what did it cost us, does anyone know? And what are the benifits to us average guys? [/QUOTE]

This brings up an issue that I think the AMA has not (at least publicly) addressed. And it's an issue that many if not most local clubs have to deal with on a daily basis. And it's not specifically an AMA issue. It's part of the social change in the hobby that has taken place. It's the "All I want to do is fly on Sunday morning, I don't care about other clubs or events or contests" member. Unless it effects me directly, I don't care about it and it's a waste of time/money/effort/etc...
We have the premier scale event in the northeast here in Maine. The CD is well known and attracts some of the best scale modelers in the hobby - Charlie Nelson, John Chevalier, Tom Kosewski, Roy Valliancourt, Jack Buckley, Bill Killam; Nicky Zrioli and Bill Steffes have attended. For the past two years we have been EXTRA fortunate to have the likes of David and Jason Shulman attend and fly both in the contest and demos during the event. One would think, if you're into R/C and live in the area, THIS would be the place to be. The CD asks area clubs for a donation to help defray the cost. We as a club have given in the past. $100. For our treasury, no big deal. But lo and behold, there are always atleast a few who neither attend the event that our club supports with money, contestants, and man power but complain to no end about spending that money because it doesn't directly benefit them.
That attitude carries over into other R/C activities. I don't know what the AMA answer should be. Or even if there is one.


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Re: Re: WHAT? - 1/18/2003 1:09:03 AM   
Jim Branaum


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by xp8103


This brings up an issue that I think the AMA has not (at least publicly) addressed. And it's an issue that many if not most local clubs have to deal with on a daily basis. And it's not specifically an AMA issue. It's part of the social change in the hobby that has taken place. It's the "All I want to do is fly on Sunday morning, I don't care about other clubs or events or contests" member. Unless it effects me directly, I don't care about it and it's a waste of time/money/effort/etc...
We have the premier scale event in the northeast here in Maine. The CD is well known and attracts some of the best scale modelers in the hobby - Charlie Nelson, John Chevalier, Tom Kosewski, Roy Valliancourt, Jack Buckley, Bill Killam; Nicky Zrioli and Bill Steffes have attended. For the past two years we have been EXTRA fortunate to have the likes of David and Jason Shulman attend and fly both in the contest and demos during the event. One would think, if you're into R/C and live in the area, THIS would be the place to be. The CD asks area clubs for a donation to help defray the cost. We as a club have given in the past. $100. For our treasury, no big deal. But lo and behold, there are always atleast a few who neither attend the event that our club supports with money, contestants, and man power but complain to no end about spending that money because it doesn't directly benefit them.
That attitude carries over into other R/C activities. I don't know what the AMA answer should be. Or even if there is one. [/QUOTE]

Pray tell how much personal modeling budget you think each modeler in the area should give away to others so they can attract big name players? Sorry, I find that idea simply incomprehensible as it does not benefit very many MODELERS but does gold plate the name guys. There is another word for that, but someone told me to be nice.

However I agree, this is a fairly widespread problem. A great many people have absolutely no interest in funding the fun of others, especially when it means giving up their rights to having fun. That is what happens when we close the field to the general membership for a big bird fly in (I fly IMAC) or for a SMALL event (I fly there too). The solution seems to be a local issues of motivation, reward, recognition, and cooperation. At least my club seems to have taken that approach and made it work.

I know at my club we have 2 or 3 SANCTIONED events each year and rarely have any problems with members who only wish to fly. In fact, most of the folks who will not fly in our sanctioned events, help run them.

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