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Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 10/6/2006 6:09:31 AM   
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Hi Everyone,

I have been flying aerobatics nonformally for about 5 years and have decided to get serious into IMAC. I have just bought an AW Extra 260 50cc and am thinking about removing the cockpit flooring. I have heard that IMAC aircraft are required to have a pilot and panel, but are there any restricitons on the floor or anything else?

Next question is, is there a list of routines, manuevers, a book or something that can help me practice this winter for next summer? I can perform all the manuevers, but linking them up and keeping everything precise is what i need work on (i guess thats the point of Imac right? :P)

Is smoke required? I am a total newbie, so go easy on me.

Also any setup tips for flying imac would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, and hope to get to know some of you in the IMAC forum.

Adam

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 10/6/2006 7:18:51 AM   
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Adam,

You do not need a cockpit floor. There is talk of IMAC eliminating the Pilot/Dashboard rule for 2007, but I don't think it is official yet.

Go to www.mini-iac.com for a list of sequences.

We don't use smoke for sequence flying.

The best advice I can give you is to be patient. Don't be in a hurry to move up to high levels. Flying basic is where you learn to fly correct geometry. Spend a lot of time learning to fly straight and level, parallel to the runway, vertical and 45 upline and downlines. These basic items are the basis for every sequence at every level.

Also, get your airplane setup correctly. Do a search for Peter Goldsmith's setup articles. They are a great tutorial on airplane setup.

Lastly, you can come to Phoenix for the IMAC introduction weekend that is hosted by South East Aviatiors. This is scheduled for the week after the AMA convention in January.

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 10/6/2006 4:11:32 PM   
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Since I was in Basic this year.......here's what I found.

Turn down your throws, add some expo. Precision is very hard to do correctly and it much easier with less throw. If you need more throw for a certain manuever like the Stall turn.....put it on a dual switch or add more expo so small movements aren't hurting you.

You'll find straight and level is harder than it looks as is flying parallel to the runway, especially in a crosswind. Practice your sequence from both directions from the start. It will make things easier down the road.

Go to www.teamflyingcirkus.com and look up under the IMAC Tips section.......Dean Bird created a great file with all sorts of info. Goldsmiths setup stuff is in there also.


As for pilot/dash...........if you look on AMA's site..........Pilot/Dash is not being removed for next year. It was voted to stay in. Of course the CD (contest director) of each event has final say so.


For practice......go to the IMAC website and download this years sequence. Start flying that now. Pic 2-3 moves to learn, then do a couple more and so on. Then start putting them together. Get a caller also, keeps you from having to remember and gets you used to competition calling. When the new sequences come out later this year start working on them the same way.


Big thing is don't move classes so fast. You may win a contest here or there, but unless your soooo far ahead of your class there is no reason to move up mid year.

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 10/6/2006 4:22:51 PM   
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Thanks for the tips so far. Bummer I have to still put a panel and cockpit. What satisfies the panel requirement? Is a printed panel okay, or must it be scale, etc..

Also, good tips on the not moving up too quickly. I didn't plan on this as I'd rather be forced to move up, than to move up too early. I am young at only 21, so there is plenty of time for me to move up into the more advanced classes. I'll check out those two sites posted above and try to get trimming, radio, and everything setup so that as soon as I finish getting everything needed for my 260, I'll start to practice. I'll probably just have two setups on my radio, one for 3d, and one for IMAC. Thanks again.

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 10/6/2006 7:16:32 PM   
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You will not need the pilot or panel until you move up to Sportsman. It is not required in Basic because a scale aircraft is not even required.

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 10/6/2006 7:54:20 PM   
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How are the different sizes of aircraft split up? Theoretically a .60 size could fly against a 41%? Will I be in a different class with a 29%?

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 10/6/2006 7:59:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sweetpea01

Go to www.TeamFlyingCirkus.com and look under the IMAC Tips section.

Dean Bird created a great file with all sorts of info.

Goldsmith's setup stuff is in there also.


Hi Adam,

You've got a lot of fun to look forward to, and lots of new people to meet!!

Hopefully we'll see you at some contests here in the Southwest Region next year.

The "IMAC Tips" that sweetpea mentions are under the "Media Center" link on the www.TeamFlyingCirkus.com website. Here are the topics that are covered.

Preparation for a new season
Your "setup" is critical to success (includes the link to Peter Goldsmith's article)
You MUST be fluent in Aresti
You MUST know the judging criteria
Practice
Practice for Unknowns
Practice to remove zeroes on Spins
Practice to remove zeroes on Hammerheads
Practice to remove zeroes on Snap Rolls
Get help with your practice
Contest Schedule
Contest Procedures
Working with your caller
Reliable Equipment
Thank the Sponsors

We just added a link on the "IMAC Tips" page to a ".zip" file so you can save all fifteen articles at one time!!

Keep any eye out for the IMAC Workshop that will be held in Mesa, AZ in January 2007. Saturday will be a workshop and Sunday will be a contest. Then the Cactus Classic is scheduled for February 10th and 11th.

Good luck with your setup, your "perfect practice", and your first contest next year!!

Take care,

Dean Bird
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2006 IMAC Southwest Region Advanced Class Champion


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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 10/6/2006 8:18:43 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: zope_pope

How are the different sizes of aircraft split up?

Theoretically a .60 size could fly against a 41%?

Will I be in a different class with a 29%?


Adam,

Any size plane can fly in any class. The classes are based on the pilot's skill level.

As "why fly high" mentions, beyond the Basic class the plane must be a scale aerobatic plane and have a pilot and panel.

In Basic, anything can be flown. At the IMAC Workshop this year we had it all. Small electric, small glow, even a little .40 size profile. Everyone was having fun and learning a lot about competing in Scale Aerobatics. If you can make it this coming January, you'll be ready for your first contest next year!!

Have fun!!!

Dean

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 10/6/2006 11:49:08 PM   
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Yep, I forgot about Basic not requiring all that jazz.

Your panel can be a simple piece of paper printed out with instruments or spend the 20+ dollars on the nice ones, its up to you.

I believe the pilot just has to be lifelike, i.e. no homersimpsons or elmos. (but correct me if I'm wrong).



This year in the Southwest region, not one contest that I attended had a pilot/dash rule enforced and only the Championship contest enforced sound (again the contests I attended).

I plan to try to CD the Vegas contest in May and plan to enforce the rules their. If you spent the time and money to follow the rules you should be rewarded!


See you at the judging school (I hope to make it)

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 11/2/2006 4:13:09 AM   
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So I tried flying the 2007 Basic sequence last weekend, and man did i have a blast! I must say, My airplane is new and not trimmed, and I am not a seasoned IMAC pilot so it definitely wasn't pretty, but I had my lovely girlfriend calling the manuevers, and it was just out right fun. I never thought precision could be this enjoyable. Anyhow, onto my next batch of questions.

Most of my questions this time around are on how to properly fly the sequence. How long do uplines have to be, what is the box, do you exit every manuever at the same altitude? Where the manuevers are positioned on the sheet, does that have any relevance as to what side of the box to do them in? For example, if the loop is in the middle of the box, do I do it in the middle? How do i judge a 45* line? Do i just guess and hope the judges agree? The proper entrance into a spin. I have noticed that IMAC spins aren't very flat at all, and are just like a vertical roll with the tail swinging. I just don't want to keep practicing the sequence wrongly and have to relearn it... Also, red dashed lines.... This means inverted, yes?

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 11/2/2006 6:13:57 AM   
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I'll try to answer what I can......

How long do uplines have to be?

Your upline can be as long as you wish. But you need to center your upline manuever. i.e. 1/2 cuban needs the roll centered on the 45* upline. Most folks count.....start your upline...count 1000 and 1 , 1000 and 2, roll.....1000 and 1, 1000 and 2, pull.

Also on most manuevers your downline needs to be the same length as the upline(and the rolls there are the same as the upline, just depends on the move.....but a good example is the Humpty Bump. Your upline and down line should put you at the same altitude you started.

This gives you a good starting point. It really depends on what move is next. Do you have a spin and need to be high? maybe increase to a 3 count. Also see box below.

What is the box?

The box used to be an undrawn line from end of the runway on each side out a specific distance. Thus you would need to stay within the bounds of the box. This means not to far out or in...and not too far left or right. There was also a top to the box if I'm correct. IMAC has gone to the zoneless box. basically 100yds out from the runway is a good distance....maybe closer if your plane is small or farther away if your plane is large. You want to give the judges a good view of your plane without scaring them from being close in or making them squint from too far away. As for left and right of the runway......similar there.

Anyone else have a better explanation?

Do you exit every manuever at the same altitude?

Yes, and no. A loop should be, but some manuevers won't. You really need to get into the rule book to understand. If your in doubt ask others on a specific manuver.


Where the manuevers are positioned on the sheet does that have any relevance as to what side of the box to do them in?

Again yes and no. You do not have to center any maneuvers.....but, good presentation calls for those on the right side of the card to be on the right and centered manuevers to be close to the center. What you are really looking for is good flow between manuvers.

How do i judge a 45* line?

Now your getting to the fun part......what's a 45* line? Since you have a caller.....get a triangle that is 45* or cut one out. Have your caller sit behind you and hold the card up in the sky at your start point. Pull up and fly what you think is 45*. Have the caller call out....shallow or steep. Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat, Repeat....did I say repeat? Eventually your mind will remember what a 45 looks like. That's how the judges know, from their own reptition.

The proper entrance into a spin?

This has been debated on all the sites........I'm not gonna touch this one other than to say this (and it may not be entirely correct)
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Fly at idle and slowly give it up elevator. KEEP WINGS LEVEL, and crab into the wind the best you can. Eventually you will end up with full up elevator and the nose will drop....then add rudder for the spin.....if done correctly you can pick the direction of the spin with rudder. If your wings aren't level, then your wings have picked the direction

Also, red dashed lines.... This means inverted, yes?

Yes and no.........it does mean negative G's. But you don't have to be inverted for that to happen. If you fly a half square (like in the sportsman sequence) ......you fly straight and level then push to a straight down line (that is red dashed), your not inverted but you pushed negative G's to get there. Or a red triangle means negative snap.




Hope this was helpful. And if I made any mistakes.......sorry

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 11/2/2006 6:14:14 AM   
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You can also grab some references on reading Aresti here:

http://www.scaleaerobatics.org/aresti.html

Aresti is really easy, and fun too. Don't be intimidated by it.

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RE: Beginner To IMAC - I have some questions - 11/2/2006 4:59:16 PM   
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