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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 8:41:58 AM   
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For the Bentley dummy engine I try to modify a williams LeRhone Engine kit.


I think the problem with this is that the 2" scale cylinders won't be anything even vaguely like scale width or height (or shape). I did a severe kit-bash of one of the WB 2" scale LeRhone kits to come up with the Oberusal I used on my EIII.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_1996822/anchors_1996822/mpage_1/key_Rhone/anchor/tm.htm

The closest thing I could find to the Bentley's cylinders was something that at American hardware shops are called "3/4" close nipples" They are available in both PVC and aluminum. An all aluminum dummy would be a great way to add nose weight!

The cylinders on a 1:6 scale Bentley BR2 would be just about 3/4" wide with a uniform width from top to bottom. I also looked at the WB 3" Gnome cylinder sold separately and that's almost the right size but still the wrong shape.



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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 9:51:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's a photo of the dashboard on the McDermott Snipe:

I'm not sure if this is inspirational or just deeply deeply depressing!

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 12:46:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don, I would consider a tutorial on the "Dash" lol, if there is some interest. I'll make a new thread for it.. FYI ALL the items are made with hand tools, no lathes or mills etc.

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 12:52:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bob, that sounds like a great idea! The Scale Forum could use more "mini-builds" showing how specific components are created. But why do I somehow think this is going to be a classic exercise in: "Cheap, Easy, Scale. Pick two"

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 2:17:24 PM   
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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 2:45:12 PM   
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At the scale your Snipe is, weight is more of a concern that at, say, quarter scale. You may want to consider that when getting involved with detailing, dash, dummy engine. I do think you could do a really good dummy engine as per the MAN article.
Everything is looking GREAT!

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 2:55:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I AM concerned with weight and don't want to get carried away with "small add-on detail" if it comes at the cost of other "structural detail." At the moment I'm still planning to use my "photo dummy" at least initially. I might do the same with the instrument panel which is buried away under the guns on the Snipe anyway.

And the cockpit IS behind the CG.

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 3:00:06 PM   
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a really good dummy engine as per the MAN article.


Which article are you referring to? Are we talking about cylinders made of circles of ply and/or balsa? I've never seen one of those come out halfway decent -- and certainly no better than my high resolution engine graphic that IMHO more than makes up in scale fidelity what it lacks in 3-dimensionality.

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 3:20:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		All of this talk about mock-ups and detailing has made me want to actually BUILD something!

I've had the parts for the center section laid out for a couple of days now. The first step was to glue the thin ply doublers onto the thick ply ribs. It would be easy to get confused and glue these to the wrong sides -- so as they say in Spanish: Ojo!

Then it made sense to me to slide all the ribs (and half ribs) into place on both the TWO 4mm brass tubes (for the 3mm wire connecting the outer wing panels) and the 3x5mm hardwood "mid spar." If forms a pretty rigid grid like this and the positons of the ribs can be adjusted over the plan. Next will be to cut and position the slotted hardwood pieces for the struts and the spars.

I'll put in the 5mm tube for the aileron cable (and connector) after I've got the center section built.

I'm also going to be add two scale details here. The first is a dowel which will represent a tube which ran through the middle cut-out in the wing (see sketch on plan). The second is the cross-bracing wires that ran through this open area. I'm thinking of using a couple lengths of 1mm music wire for this.

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 5:17:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		I started with the panel drawing from the Windsock Data File then added color, etc. with Photoshop. I collected a few good photos of instrument faces to drop into the image. It is an inkjet print on label paper, on 1/16" balsa and weighs almost nothing. You could do an acceptable one from the McDermott photo. No matter what you do with this technique, it is only a "stand-in", not like Bob H's and the McDermott masterpieces.
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Bob, great work as usual on that "dash" -- you seem to really get into these. I must say, I'm awfully tempted by Alan's idea though! Alan, did you do that artwork yourself?




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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 5:30:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did think for a moment about printing out Pete's dash -- but that just didn't seem right somehow. You have "assembled" yours from various images and done further work and that makes it YOUR art. But me using a photo of Pete's work would be a whole different thing.


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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 5:40:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have thought about using a "paper tole" technique where one cuts out the individual paper elements and mounts them slightly off the base surface to make a 3D effect. To an extent, it is even possible to form the pieces to give them a little roundness. More work than flat artwork but still very light weight.


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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 5:50:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have thought about trying to give my engine graphic a bit of a 3-D look by adding actual rocker rods (I PS'ed out the rods in the photo) and maybe even making the forward crankcase. I like your idea of building depth with multiple paper layers. That might be the degree to which I "build" an instrument panel on this project.

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RE: CD ScaleDesigns Sopwith Snipe build - 11/21/2006 7:06:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		You gentlemen are on the right track! Illusion is everything! Smoke & mirrors.........build it to fly!

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