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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 2:21:09 PM   
Scott Ellingson



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Status: offline 		The wrap aropund muffler will add $40 to the price. We flew a 16lb stock Patty Wagstaff yesterday with the 60. Xoar 23x8 prop. RPM, didn't check. Hover, 1/4 throttle. Actually it was too much power for it. One click up and it climed, one click back and it fell. Too much thrust made it too touchey. We had a 24x8 NX but it was pointless to go with more thrust. We dropped to a 22x8 top get the thrust down , but a reciever battery dropped a cell (Hydrimax) and the plane wend in at 3/4 throttle. It was a mess. I have run 24x8 props on them anbd got in 6300 range. It was a brand new engine so it will pick up rpm. I know for a fact no DA 50 can hold a candle to it in power. We also had that 60 on a 1/3 scale CE. It hovered under 1/2 throttle. We had a 22x8 on it then. Broke the 23x8 earlier that day. The guy that flew it for the video has also flown the same plane with a DA50. Pullout was margional with the DA. With our 60 it was very fast. Same plane comparison.

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 2:58:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Scott, thanks for clarifying the price diff with w/a muffler. I sure like the way you do those!

Also - for any readers - I don't post "power" comparisons to other motors. It's just something that I am NOT going to get into. I will freely share whatever data I have on the motors and props I run, and that's about it.

It's also usually VERY unlikely that I will ever post RPM readings, because they are so meaningless for comparisons, unless you're doing the comparison side-by-side, same prop, same gas, same new/broken in/used condition of motors.

More than once I've seen a post that reads like.... "My xyz motor with a 97-9 prop measures 32,000rpm, WAY more than you're getting." Or something like that. I don't much care for that, and won't play; it just doesn't have ANY meaning to me.

I like what I like, and I buy what works for me. If it doesn't "work", I sell it. End of story.

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 3:00:12 PM   
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Hover, 1/4 throttle. Actually it was too much power for it. One click up and it climed, one click back and it fell. Too much thrust made it too touchey.

No such thing as too much power...you just need to throttle curve the radio to take the touchyness out.



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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 3:11:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bob:
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to stay on topic


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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 3:16:00 PM   
Bob Pastorello



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Status: offline 		Read the picture you posted very closely; you'll note the scale is 3 lbs, 12.8 OUNCES. Difference explained.
This thread is about the Brillelli 60.

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 3:46:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, yes sorry to seem off topic (I was going to PM you)....but if this motor weighs nearly the same as a DA50 RTF, and its 10cc bigger...seems thats its two biggest advantages right there bar none.

ok...my mind is about made up on one of these then... Please put one aside for me...or start JIT manufacturer.

As soon as Scott answers my email about dimensions, or if we can a link to a dimension drawing on this motor, I'm sold. Just need to make sure the beast fits!


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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 4:23:25 PM   
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Ok, yes sorry to seem off topic (I was going to PM you)....but if this motor weighs nearly the same as a DA50 RTF, and its 10cc bigger...seems thats its two biggest advantages right there bar none.

ok...my mind is about made up on one of these then... Please put one aside for me...or start JIT manufacturer.

As soon as Scott answers my email about dimensions, or if we can a link to a dimension drawing on this motor, I'm sold. Just need to make sure the beast fits!



That’s exactly how I thought of it; it seems that this motor is going to be the next 50cc planes king motor if this is true. On the other hand, power and weight is not everything especially if it comes at the cost of reliability!

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 4:31:32 PM   
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That’s exactly how I thought of it; it seems that this motor is going to be the next 50cc planes king motor if this is true. On the other hand, power and weight is not everything especially if it comes at the cost of reliability!
Yes this and customer service. I've heard about a thousand stories now of a certain manufacturer taking a motor back, completely fixing it and sending it for Free....cost of shipping only. In fact, I have heard it enough times....that frankly...I don't want to hear it anymore.


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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 4:52:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I can tell you personally about my experience... I have had 4 Brillelli engines.. and the 5th one arrived on Friday.

Customer service.. simply amazing. Quality the same and performance outstanding.

I own the only 2 54 engines out there. Long story short Brillelli made a couple 54s and then decided to do the 60 instead since they were so close to eachother in production costs.. why not offer a more power engine at the same price? Nice move for Brillelli and even happier customers

Needless to say I am approaching 7 gallons on my 54 and she has never run better. The only dead stick I had was because I ran out of gas once... 24 oz tank was having way too much fun

I have no doubt in my mind that my 54 will see another 7 gallons before next summer and will be running just as good


Well I am off to the field.. 3 mph winds today.. tell me you could resist that!

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 5:08:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does the 54 weigh much less than the 60 or is virtually a wash of a couple of ounces only? The 60 makes more sense to me if your this close in weight.

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/16/2006 6:35:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		The 54 and 60 are pretty much a wash. Maybe 1/2 oz difference. It uses the same crank and crankcase. Just the piston and cylinder are different.

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/17/2006 1:13:25 AM   
Jake Ruddy



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Status: offline 		Yeah.. they are a wash.. I only bring it up because I dont have a 60 so I try and keep my information as specific as possible.

They both run almost identical except the 60 pulls 300+ rpms more Since all that is changed is the piston and cylinder I am an avid speaker about the 60 because I know how well it will run and if there were problems my 54 would see it first. I am also one of those guys who flys as much as I can so I am putting many hrs on these engines in a short period of time.

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/17/2006 2:07:35 AM   
Jake Ruddy



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Status: offline 		btw.. the carb to muffler is 6 1/4" that doesnt include the muffler bolts that stick out maybe 1/4" but that can be recessed if you ask Scott.

With v-stack its 7.5"

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/17/2006 2:35:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yeh, 7.5 is going to be too big....

I've measured...I believe the entire engine box is going to have to be rebuilt and moved back...but I think that is standard except if you put the G62 in. My friend had to rebuild it for the DA50.

I need to know what the distance is from the exact center of the engine to the end of the carb including screws and/or worse case...but probably excluding that stack as I don't think thats going to fit. Worst case as in butterfly clearance if wide open if it extends out of the carb...
And, whats the minimum clearance recomended for the carb. to breathe so I can take that distance into play?

The muffler side will be fine.

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RE: Brillelli 366GT *60cc* - 10/17/2006 2:49:18 AM   
Jake Ruddy