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Evolution F3A - 10/15/2006 6:17 PM   
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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/15/2006 6:39 PM   
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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/18/2006 6:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure what you are asking about with the Evolution. I bought 2 and now have the replacement parts for both and I can say I do not recommend this plane if you want anything above a 10 year olds build quality.

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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 2:20 AM   
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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 2:42 AM   
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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 3:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sure sounds like "you" are the center around the problem. Are you 10? From the posts I have read in your other thread and now here, sure sound like it. I am not advocating Ultra here, but I have done business with them and I have no complaints. I have seen the Evolution in person and it sure looked good on both the ground and in the air to me. The owner seemed real happy. What is bashing the company and their products getting ya? Does it make you feel better at night? It surely doesn't do much for the rest of us.



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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 3:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's fine. I have no problem with what you say. Maybe you didn't look close enough. Maybe you just looked at it on the ground. All I want is straight wings. Is that asking too much? Is that really asking too much from a company that produces arfs? My Hanger 9, Dave Patrick, Fliton, Extreme Flight Arfs are straight. Do you see me complaining about them?


This person asked about the Evolution. I'm giving my opinion. Is that against the rules here on RCU?
I don't hear anyone chiming in about how they have checked theirs and they are straight. I would love to have positive feedback about this plane. I thought it was going to be a great plane. And it still will. I tore the covering off mine and I am fixing it.

That being said, I'm sure it fly's good. But if it were straight I feel this would be a great plane. Even in Fai I think it would be real good.

Look, I've emailed Ultra with no response after they sent me the replacement parts. I've tried. I tried keeping it quiet after you all straightened me out on how to handle it last time.

I'm just posting my observations on this plane as that is what this thread was about. Take it how you want to. I don't care.

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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 3:55 AM   
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That's fine. I have no problem with what you say. Maybe you didn't look close enough. Maybe you just looked at it on the ground. All I want is straight wings. Is that asking too much? Is that really asking too much from a company that produces arfs? My Hanger 9, Dave Patrick, Fliton, Extreme Flight Arfs are straight. Do you see me complaining about them?


This person asked about the Evolution. I'm giving my opinion. Is that against the rules here on RCU?
I don't hear anyone chiming in about how they have checked theirs and they are straight. I would love to have positive feedback about this plane. I thought it was going to be a great plane. And it still will. I tore the covering off mine and I am fixing it.

That being said, I'm sure it fly's good. But if it were straight I feel this would be a great plane. Even in Fai I think it would be real good.

Look, I've emailed Ultra with no response after they sent me the replacement parts. I've tried. I tried keeping it quiet after you all straightened me out on how to handle it last time.

I'm just posting my observations on this plane as that is what this thread was about. Take it how you want to. I don't care.

C


I hear everything you are saying, saw it all in the other thread. Your right, you have every right to post what you want. But why would they respond to you? As you say, they have provided you with replacement parts so they have paid attention to you. And yet, you are still complaining here. I don't think I would respond either.......knowing myself, I don't think I would have anything positive to say to ya.

With that being said, since this is a thread about the Evolution. I don't personally own one. However I saw it close up and it presented very well. Then I saw it fly three flights, both Masters and FAI schedules. It looked really good to me and the owner seemed very happy. If / when I am in the market for another plane, I will definitely consider this plane as an option. I have done business with Ultra in the past and they have always been very good to me.

My philosphy......Treat those as you would like to be treated.


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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 4:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have heard it presents well also. I honestly can't wait to fly it. I will have the glow version done late this weekend, test flight probably next weekend. The wings aren't good, but it's for my friend who's in sportsman. I will probably have good things to say about it. But it will have trim issues with these wings.

Am I the only one who would not accept non straight wings on an arf? Wing tips at different incidences than the root ribs? If I am then I apologize to all who have been so offended by my complaining.
But if the shoe were on the other foot, and you were someone who wanted what you paid for, would you be understanding of my situation.
Have fun with the evolutions.

And btw I don't care what you think about me. I may feel the same about you.

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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 2:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		it souldnt be a bad plane, i dont have one, but if you want a FAI quality ARF in pattern dont buy a cheap plane. and if you want a perctly build straight plane, do it yourself, buy a kit.

The evolution should be a great plane for entry levels or even to iniciate in FAI or Masters.

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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 3:59 PM   
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I don't hear anyone chiming in about how they have checked theirs and they are straight. I would love to have positive feedback about this plane.


You HAVE had people "chime in" that they have a good one. I know 'cuz I'm one of them.

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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 4:51 PM   
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Here is the latest Evolution that I built. You can see that I shortened the "electric-prop-landing-gear" in the second one.

I have to say that to get a better 2-Meter pattern ARF in the USA you need to go to the OXAI web-site. You also need to budget for the seven (7) Elvolutions that you could have bought for the money that a Pinnacle will cost you.

In pattern terms this is a low budget plane. If it is your high-budget plane, I understand that a person would want the very best for his or her money. However, you can't really make a manufacturer give you more product for the same money. You can push and lobby for service from a supplier but beyond that you are done. You can either accept a laser-cut built-up structure as a pattern plane or go off in search of high-tech-materials plane and the associated high costs.

I am using the same engines and radio eqipment etc. in my Evolutions as my two Pinnacles. Thes planes have close to a $3000 difference after shipping etc. A plane that flies as good as an Evolution will get you hooked on good precise, ergo pattern, flying. Once "hooked" you will, no doubt, need to save your pennies to get a flawless ARF, if such a thing exists. My Pinnacles were close. My two IMPACTs had lots of build issues and at least cost twice as much as this ARF. They also took three times as long to line up and build. Yet I loved them, because of the way they flew and the way the looked once finished. The Evolution is a super plane to fly. I only have 1% anti roll mix so that I can do field long knife-edges without any roll creep into the sun It's always into the sun right?

So far my advice, for what it's worth, is to don't shoot for really light. You need some weight for the wind. This means that with an Evolution you can use a bigger battery, a heavier servo on the rudder etc. for example, and still be less than 10 lb 6 oz. Which is perfect for an OS 1.60 IMHO.

In the pictures below you can see the legs are shorter (about 2") and the cheek-vent-exit holes were cut differently to hopefully be more asthetically pleasing.


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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 5:19 PM   
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How would you compare this to a Focus II with regards to the flight characteristics and finish?

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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 5:19 PM   
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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 8:05 PM   
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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 10:30 PM   
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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/19/2006 10:55 PM   
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That is a hard question to answer.

The finish in my mind also includes the construction. I had three of them. (the FOCUS). One was a Mk 1 and two were the MK 2 versions of the Focus. Mine were about $350 more in cost than the Evolution. Also you had to fit the stab and glue it in place yourself. (The most difficult build part IMHO). The Evolution has plug-on stabs and longditudinal wing position adjustment.

Also I had to get three different sets of wing made, some at my cost, before I had correctly aligned wing-tube-sleeve installations and could also meet the F3A weight etc. Also I had to re-ialign the fuselage wing-tube on both of my Mk II's. The FOCUS was a balsa sheeted foam-core wing and full-sheet sided etc. All off these ARF designs had sheeted foam turtle-decks. I also had to redo the firebox to accept a Hydemount - "A" type. No issue on the Evolution. There was more but I forget right now. The main point is that they are not the same covering or finish design.

It was much more work to get it "right" than the Evolution. I still liked the plane and how it flew back then.

I say "back then" because it was what was current. The fuselage bodies have got a bit different since then etc.

As regards flying I can be a bit more crisp! I much prefer the later design/flight characteristics of the Evolution.

The Focus was like a pick-up truck and the Evolution is like a nimble sports car. The amount of Evolution rudder inputs needed are much less than the Focus and the mixes are either nil or non-significant. The wings are much lighter and hence the snaps stop on comand. Evolution's spins can be fully controlled with rudder and elevator only.

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How would you compare this to a Focus II with regards to the flight characteristics and finish?

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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/22/2006 2:15 AM   
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RE: Evolution F3A - 10/22/2006 5:16 AM   
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They don't have it listed still for some odd reason..

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