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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/19/2006 11:18:27 PM   
Flip and Fly



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You certainly can use 2 receivers, but why would you want to?


I want the extra chanels, and for the redundancy.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/19/2006 11:31:09 PM   
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How many Horizon employees have you met or have flown at your field? Who do you think designs and manufactures Spektrum for Horizon? Horizon is a mail order distributor not a electronics manufacturer, of course those thousands of miles away know better?


I can tell you that I in fact know several Horizon employees very well. I have flown at two different contests with them, one in Muncie, and one in California, in the past month alone. What I posted were exact quotes from them after asking them what the situation is. So maybe I misunderstood them, although they seemed to be pretty clear on the situation. What I can say without any fear of contradiction is that Spektrum (brand or company or whatever) is NOT owned or directly associated with JR. Horizon also sells Airtronics and Hitec stuff, yet nobody thinks that Horizon owns either one of those companies, do they??


I see you are in Illinois. Champaign perhaps?? Do you work for Horizon? Do you fly with people who do?

EDIT - Just saw Mike McConville's post above. He seems to make it pretty clear what the relationship is. But then again, why believe him??

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/20/2006 1:07:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		The post you copied was my reply to Mac Man UK, post # 9, my reply to you was the following post. Mike confirmed exactly what I stated, Spektrum is a proprietary brand name owned by Horizon. He states they design and develope products, notice he neither denied nor confirmed that the Spektrum product is manufactured for Horizon by JR, (nor did he contradict anything else I stated about the marketing plan). The screens in the DX7 are exactly the same as in current JR radios. There is a big difference between designing a product and manufacturing one. Also, it is quite legal to state your company has designed a product and in fact have sub-contracted the design and engineering work. This is not a big deal to most of us, my point is some people don't understand the marketing strategy behind the introduction of this technology and why JR and Horizon chose to "brand" Spektrum differently. Example, why a DX7, ie a 7 channel instead of an 8 channel? Probably because the modules that will be next year's big buzz will be labeled JR as options for upgrading existing JR 8 and 9 channel radios to 2.4. Don't get your pants all up in a bunch, just realize there is more behind these introductions and companies business relationships than a separate name.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/20/2006 3:04:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great, I just bought a new Futaba 7C for my bigger birds, and the old(?) Spektrum for my little ones. The story of my life, always late to the party.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/20/2006 3:27:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know how you feel GG.

But in this case, I feel I'm too early to the party, because I need to order a long range Spektrum ASAP so I can get my next Stryker airborn in 2 weeks.
What am I to do..... decisions, decisions....

I need to think outside of the box this time.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm,


psssssst: decaf next time.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/20/2006 7:38:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Phaedrus-MMVI

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ORIGINAL: k3 valley flyer

How many Horizon employees have you met or have flown at your field? Who do you think designs and manufactures Spektrum for Horizon? Horizon is a mail order distributor not a electronics manufacturer, of course those thousands of miles away know better?


I can tell you that I in fact know several Horizon employees very well. I have flown at two different contests with them, one in Muncie, and one in California, in the past month alone. What I posted were exact quotes from them after asking them what the situation is. So maybe I misunderstood them, although they seemed to be pretty clear on the situation. What I can say without any fear of contradiction is that Spektrum (brand or company or whatever) is NOT owned or directly associated with JR. Horizon also sells Airtronics and Hitec stuff, yet nobody thinks that Horizon owns either one of those companies, do they??


I see you are in Illinois. Champaign perhaps?? Do you work for Horizon? Do you fly with people who do?

EDIT - Just saw Mike McConville's post above. He seems to make it pretty clear what the relationship is. But then again, why believe him??


I dont think Horizon is owned by JR but it is clear that the Spektrum radios are made by
JR. as to how much input Horizon had in the radio design who knows but i would think
if the Spektrum was a total horizon design it would not be a JR radio with a spektrum
label. not that its such a bad thing to re label other manufacturer products a lot of
companies do so, Tower sells futaba radios as there brand, hobbico sells Hitec servos
as there brand also.

What kind of bothers me is how far Horizon goes to try to hide the fact that the Spektrum
is a JR product.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/20/2006 9:32:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		PART of the Spektrum radios is manufactured by JR, that has never been in doubt BUT the heart of the system is manufactured ( and designed by Spektrum) which is now a subsidiary of Horizon. Horizon have asked JR to manufacture ( or more accurately revive) a slightly older radio LESS the RF Board. JR is a subcontractor in this venture effectively.

Its like saying that a DELL computer is really an Intel Computer, and we all know that isn't really the case.




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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/20/2006 1:33:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		No doubt that 2.4 Ghz takes RC flying to the next level. But this technology is still not legal for aircraft in the UK and many other parts of the world. It has to do with RF transmitter power and application. The british are still dealing with approval, so until then it seems our american cousins are the lucky one's. Would like to see if this technology is adopted on a global scale and by other manufacturer's. Bring it on.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/20/2006 3:19:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		As stated by Mike McConnville Spektrum is a proprietary brand name owned by Horizion, it is not a subsidiary. Horizon does not manufacture anything, they are a distributor via mail order and a hobby shop dealer net work of various brands including their own brands that they have others manufacturer for them. See Mike's post where he states they design and develope products, he says nothing about manufacturing. In post # 9 you stated JR had nothing to do with Spektrum product, now you have them manufacturing part of it? I will ask him in person tommorow to check with you on just what part Horizon manufactuers so he can get his facts straight.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/20/2006 4:00:44 PM   
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What kind of bothers me is how far Horizon goes to try to hide the fact that the Spektrum
is a JR product.


Kind of like how far Sear used to go to hide the fact that Michelin made their tires, Whirlpool made their washers, Snap-On made Craftsman tools and on and one. Multiple brand manufacturing is nothing new. Just because JR may happen to actually do the manufacturing of the DX radios does not mean that JR owns the brand or has significant, if any, input to it.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/21/2006 12:30:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ira d

What kind of bothers me is how far Horizon goes to try to hide the fact that the Spektrum
is a JR product.


Kind of like how far Sear used to go to hide the fact that Michelin made their tires, Whirlpool made their washers, Snap-On made Craftsman tools and on and one. Multiple brand manufacturing is nothing new. Just because JR may happen to actually do the manufacturing of the DX radios does not mean that JR owns the brand or has significant, if any, input to it.


I have already stated that i dont think JR owns Horizon. the point of my post was that
the Spektrum radios are made by JR and or nothing more that a JR radio with a different
rf output system. so it stands to reason that JR has a lot of input in the radio.


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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/22/2006 6:48:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, and now that is seems we are all in agreement that there is a lot of marketing/brand name games going on here, we come to the crux of the matter. For those of us who just bought a high end radio (regardless of make) and those of us with half framed planes on the work bench, what do we do?

While it is purely speculation in the absence of data, it seems that "modules" are on the horizon for those of us with higher end radios. Yes, the mfc.'s want to sell radios, but I can't believe they would bite the hand that feeds them by leaving us out there with obsolete systems. Futaba is doing a "module" type system with their existing car radios, planes have got to be close behind. If Futaba offers a 2.4 GHz "module" for current platform owners, JR will have to follow suit. As a 9303 and 8103 owner, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is the plan. So much, it ultimately drove my decision to NOT buy a JR receiver at the hobby shop today on my way home from the I-Hobby Expo. Given I have idle planes that will likely go to swap meets this winter, I'll be pulling receivers and juggling my fleet to cope while the "development" continues and hopefully produces options for us by this time next year (or sooner.)

And maybe that's the rub. Sure, we all have a guy in our club that seems to have every new gadget, the day it comes out. There's countless others that won't adopt a new technology until it's about to be replaced. As of this weekend, there is a full-blown 2.4 GHz air/heli system on the market. And all my 72 MHz PCM/PPM stuff in the basement still works as good as the day I bought it. Offer 2.4 to me in a fashion compatible with my current equipment and I'm ready with my credit card number. Tell me I have to buy a complete new radio system, I'll use my 72MHz until the mfc's stop making it, which to a certain extent, they have. You see, as I was considering the synthesized 7 channel receiver vs. the PCM 7 channel receiver, the shop owner made an interesting comment to me. If I wanted the PCM Rx, I should probably get it along with the already large purchase I was making this afternoon. They were not going to be able to order any more PCM 7ch Rx, just the synthesized ones.

So my question to Horizon, Spektrum, JR whomever; are modules coming anytime soon or are you going to force us to buy a complete new radio system to get 2.4 GHz and the associated benefits? As an 8103 and 9303 owner, a 7ch. platform is of no interest, 2.4 GHz or not. I am excited about your DX7, it's just that if you take 2.4 out of the picture, it is a step backwards given my current radio situation. Given my good fortune wth 72 MHz for the last 20 years, the advertised benefits of 2.4 won't drive me to a $350 purchase, but I would buy a 2.4 Tx mod and Rx's for future planes.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/22/2006 2:34:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Guys, just a little testimony on DX7. I'm in Guadalajara Mexico at the moment at a fly-in at a field where there are a LOT of unexplainable roadio interference issues in 72MHz with all brands. Saw a lot yesterday, fortunately none resulted in crashes.
Anyway, I have flown several flights here on DX7 in a Funtana 100 with absolutely no issues. Even flying very low and very far away, right inth the "hot" spot on the field where most lock outs seem to happen. Flew out to the point od being silly and control was dead on.
Another side note on DX7 is that the response rate of the system is very fast (faste than most current systems, which means the connected feel is very good.

I think this is one of the true and very few breakthrough products for RC in the past 40 years (since digital proportional). If your like, I think once you fly it once, your be completely sold.

More to come. Gotta leave for the flying field.

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RE: New Longer range Spektrum for air coming? - 10/22/2006 7:31:16 PM