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Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 1/17/2003 6:55:28 PM   
ewspears


 

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I don't think I'm alone in thinking the the Sleek Pattern Planes of the 1978 to 1992 era were a joy to fly or to watch. A Hanno, YS AR, or Rossi with enclosed tuned pipe and retracts. FAST - Manouverable & Stable.
I'd like to see a class that would allow the following to compete; Aurora, Atlanta, Bootlegger, Illusion, LA-1, Eclipse, EU1A, PA2,
Summit 60 and etc.

RETRACTS---TUNED PIPE----100+MPH----OH YEAAAAAA!!!!!!!


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Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 1/17/2003 7:22:40 PM   
Rcpilot32-RCU


 

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Status: offline 		I would have to agree with you on this!!!!!! It sounds like fun flying at mach 2 and change while performing 300' loops and your hair on fire. Wow! What a rush that would be. Lets see if we can make it happen. I know I would start flying pattern if the planes mentioned above would be allowed to compete in their own class. Who should we approach to make this happen?


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Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 1/18/2003 1:03:25 AM   
flywilly


 

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Status: offline 		I agree, though I find it amusing that all but 3 of the airplanes on your list were designed for 'turnaround' pattern (Bootlegger, Illusion and EU1-A). The EU1-A always needed more power than was available at the time anyway.
Maybe just a post-1975 design class for .60 sized airplanes. The Arrow is my personal favorite and one of the fastest pattern ships I ever flew.
Pattern Rules!!
-Will B.

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Ballistic Pattern Association! - 1/18/2003 1:36:41 AM   
ChuckAuger



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Status: offline 		There was some interest shown in a thread "Old 2 Stroke Pattern Fun" here:

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/tm.asp?m=372093+Pattern+Association

A few guys seem to share your belief that good ol' piped .61's with retracts is still a ball to fly..


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Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 1/22/2003 10:02:08 PM   
TonyF


 

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Status: offline 		Sorry flywilly, but those three you mentioned as being designed for turnaround were not. Steve Helm's Bootlegger was designed in 1980 or 81, he made the 1983 USA team with a Bootlegger, the last year of "old Style" F3A. The Illusion was also designed in 82, DB flew it in the 1983 World Champs, though I believe he made the 83 team with a Tiporare. The EU1 was flown in the 1977 World Champs in Springfield, and the EU1-A was kitted by Dave Scully, I believe, by 1980.

All of these were used in turnaround, but they all pre-date it.

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I agree - 1/22/2003 11:07:25 PM   
LaCerne



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Status: offline 		This sounds like fun to me. Perhaps SPA would be willing to create a class for "Pattern Bombs". The mid to late 80's were the best time for pattern in my opinion! I'd love to find an old UFO, or Dirty Birdy, and do it up right!

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2 stroke / piped / clean & fast - 1/23/2003 12:48:49 AM   
cd3217


 

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Status: offline 		Yep,
something just doesn't sound right when you have a ys 4 stroke on an airplane that looks like it oughta go fast.... sex appeal I guess. I have a 4 stroke Zen 120 that I'm getting ready to try cause I hear that the new pattern birds fly so well. That still doesn't quite make me want to get rid of all the plans I've been collecting.....mach 1, compensator, dirty birdy, thunder panzer, eyeball, el gringo, miss norway mk2..... Nor the 23 year old atlas in the attic with the HP Gold Cup, pipe and retracts.....haha....
Can't wait to read more.... I'm remembering ..... piped 61's screaming straight lines, slow rolls and nice curves.....yeah

not that I'm knocking 2 meter or its pilots, but the old stuff sure had sex-appeal....

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Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 1/23/2003 12:57:05 AM   
flywilly


 

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Status: offline 		Hey Tony,
Yes, of course. I meant the 3 designs that predated 'turnaround'
were the Bootlegger, EU1 and Illusion. I had a Bootlegger which flew well. I owned an EU1 kit but everytimeI'd look at that HUGE fiberglass fuselage and that itty bitty .61 that was supposed to power it I'd put it back in the box. I eventually sold it.
As for most of the other designs - they're all pretty fast, too. After the '85 worlds when fast and far out flying became the 'norm' the original intent of aresti style flying seemd to be lost.
Your Challenge, Wolgang's Joker and a few others seemed better suited for the 'intent' of the rules (I built both of them). Then I flew Dave Von Linsowe's Mistress which was much faster.
The 2 meter planes really fly great, but I still like the old designs!
Happy Flying

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RE: Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 10/16/2003 12:05:45 AM   
EU1a


 

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Status: offline 		I'd pay good money for 2x2 EU-1a.

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RE: Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 10/16/2003 1:53:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello ew,rcpilot32rcu,flywilly,chuckAuger,TonyF-RCU,LaCerne,cd3217,flywilliy&EU1a........
I posted the SPA thread and you guys got it right lets start with a petition to SPA and go from there!!! The photo attached shows "Rebel," who loves the older style rocket ships-

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RE: Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 10/16/2003 1:38:33 PM   
Deadstik



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Status: offline 		Hi everyone,

I just thought I would throw in my 2 cents and let you know I agree with your idea of petitioning the SPA to allow PIPES and RETRACTS. While I really like the "really old" planes (Orion/Taurus/Beachcomber/Crusader) I would jump right into SPA if they would allow a Phoenix 8 w/pipe & retracts. Those memories of watching everybody going Mach 1 and pulling into a figure M are just priceless... and you just can't get that feeling w/a 4 stroke and the gear down. I never did figure out why 4 strokes were allowed on the SPA birds when they weren't available when they were designed (Selective rules??). At any rate, I am solidly behind a "Missile" class. That would include the EU1s,Auroras,UFOs,Tipos,Magics, and others that were flown prior to 1984 w/Pipes and retracts. I would love to see it go back to the old "pattern circuit" here in the Carolinas and Virginia. Remember when there used to be a contest almost every weekend in the summer between NC/VA/MD/and SC? Now there were only 3 in the entire state of NC this year !!! This might just help bring pattern back.

Just an opinion....I think others would agree...


Deadstik...

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RE: Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 10/18/2003 10:57:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes an 80's style pattern competition would and COULD be a blast! What can we all do to make this happen in 04? I might add there seems to be promising interest in having SPA contests in the MID Atlantic region and why not "add" another for the 1980's Pattern aircraft that flew so well and at way less expense-- which might interest potential participants.

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RE: Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 10/19/2003 1:40:01 PM   
BevoHoward


 

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Status: offline 		I know I would be very pleased if a new class were created. Maybe those of us here in the Mid Atlantic Region could work together to get something organized. I'm about 90% finished with my Tipo. (the WK kit) I built it around a piped ST Bluehead, and retracts.
TonyF: Just some confusion here on my part. I thought the Bootlegger came out before 1980. I remember Steve's tent was next to ours, and he was flying his Bootlegger. If I'm not mistaken you were flying a P6. It has been so long maybe my memory is fading.

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RE: Need Redefined SPA or New Class!! - 10/19/2003 1:41:54 PM   
BevoHoward


 

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Status: offline 		Something got goofed up. I was refering to the 78 Nats in Lake Charles where I remember the Bootlegger

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Do a club event... - 10/19/2003 6:19:50 PM