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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/11/2009 8:21 PM

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You obviously are a student of History. You dwell there with your arguments presented here. To you apparently repetition = thought and news.
I understand that you are from the UK but most of the friends I have there are quite reasonable souls. Then we come to your posts.

I have flown Spektrum since day one. But apparently that means little. Never have even MET someone who has even SEEN the problem much less had it.
Yes I've read about the old, resolved issue from others as well as your ongoing rant.

Define "FIX" for me______PLEASE!!!
I need the definition as I am simply experiencing flawless radio operation flight after flight. There must be something besides 'flawless operation" that you wish to reference

I also would like to have a list of the "Big Names" who were caught out by this issue of three years ago.
I can come up with one, Quique. He together with Horizon announced the issue as well as the cause the very day it happened. SEFF 2007.

2.4GHz and Spektrum (who introduced it to the full range fliers) is news but because of their successes not as you wished we'd all believe.

Do I expect reason and fact to silence your rant? Absolutely NOT.
But it IS difficult to take you seriously.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/11/2009 9:04 PM

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I recently purchased a DX-7 and only have 6 flights on it. My last flight I accidently hit the power switch off while trying to trim the elevator. I'm used to my Futaba with the switch in the lower corner. It seems to me that that there should be more protection on the switch. Almost totaled my new Sopwith Pup. The Fail Safe at least kept the plane from flying into the woods. Am I the only one stupid enough to do this?

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/11/2009 10:22 PM

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Ouch... almost! Dont think Ive heard of anyone doing that on the DX7, but fumbling around with controls early in the learning game is probably very common. The only way to learn where stuff is would be to practice. Just gotta be carefull.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/12/2009 5:47 AM

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Human nature is a strange phenomenum, if you disagree with even the smallest thing that someone thinks is the Bees Knees you will be told the issue is dead, you are an idiot and that your mother may know something you don't, I do find some of the replies to be over emotional, the facts of the matter are that the Spektrum/JR Rx's still switch off if the supply voltage drops to a level where most other Rx's will keep on working, The fix was to make the Rx capable of switching back on quicker, not to stop it happening, not to raise the threashold of the voltage drop out, but to enable the Rx to switch back on quicker, IMO and it is my opinion to wich I am entitled this is a stop gap fix and not a cure for what is a potential airframe destroying fault.

No one is imune to this and plenty of big names out there had this issue when it first read its head, the current fix is to have two large battery inputs into the Rx bus, I can see this being of benift if you are using multiple digital servo's in a large 3D machine, but meanwhile I just wish Spektrum would come up with a cure for this fault and not just a quick fix.

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The sky is falling! The sky is falling! 1/20th of one percent of everybody out there using these will have this happen to them, which means compared to the old 72MhZ systems it can be considered PERFECT. But THIS IS JUST HORRIBLE! In the past only 1/20th of 1 percent of all flyers DIDN'T crash at some point due to radio and battery failures, which means statistically this is probably the MOST SUCCESSFUL technology ever introduced to RC, but it's just HORRIBLE! That's right, for every HUNDRED THOUSAND of you flying out there, 50 of you will have this happen to you!! Mostly because those 50 are not smart enough to charge or check their batteries, but THE SKY IS FALLING! LISTEN TO ME, IT'S JUST SO BAD! THE SKY IS FALLING!!! I WANT TO CALL THIS A STOPGAP MEASURE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ALLOW YOU TO FLY A PLANE WHEN THE BATTERY LEVELS ARE FAR BELOW ANY SAFE LEVEL!!! I'M AN AMERICAN AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO FLY A PLANE UNSAFELY AND COMPLAIN ABOUT A PRODUCT THAT WON'T LET ME DO SO!!!

I had to put the little guy in there with his eyes rolling, because I certainly am rolling mine. Good night, folks, I've got better things to do than .....oh yeah, the Mods.....

Nighty-Night!!

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/12/2009 5:52 AM

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I recently purchased a DX-7 and only have 6 flights on it. My last flight I accidently hit the power switch off while trying to trim the elevator. I'm used to my Futaba with the switch in the lower corner. It seems to me that that there should be more protection on the switch. Almost totaled my new Sopwith Pup. The Fail Safe at least kept the plane from flying into the woods. Am I the only one stupid enough to do this?

Yes you are.

hehehe....except maybe for me. I turned mine off on PURPOSE to see what it would do. It recovered well.

Onewasp....nicely said. To the point.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/12/2009 6:18 AM

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I have not ranted in any way, all I have done is state facts, the replies that have been posted on here can certainly be classed as rants, where do you get your statistics, they looked like they where picked out of thin air, also because someone mentioned the big name crash caused by the shut down of a Spektrum Rx does that mean it does not count.

Take a step back all of you ranting about my posts and look at the facts, they still exist no matter how often they are denighed.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/12/2009 3:46 PM

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You keep saying the same thing over and over, and you logic is severely flawed. That's what I'll call it here, as opposed to calling it total "Spin" on the truth, because at the voltage levels this occurs nobody should be flying anyway.

As determined as you are to try and force that flawed logic out there, I'm MORE determined to show it for what it is. Nothing more and nothing less. My statistics are exaggerated and the numbers are inflated, and they are STILL a tiny little fraction....

What you ARE doing is is distracting people from learning the simple and easy methods to help them properly set up their Spektrums so this never occurs, it's cheap and it's easy and it works.

YOU are MUCH more dangerous to people than this little voltage cutoff ever could be. You're not helping anybody. You're not bringing anything to light that Spektrum didn't do long ago. EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THIS ISSUE.

And most importantly, you are not any part of any solution.

You just wanna B[]TCH.

That is not what this hobby is about. If it's REALLY that important, offer up something to help. Save a plane. Save a life. Do something to keep the hobby engaging for a a newbie, instead of failing to provide help and education because you're too busy issuing warnings and doing the "Chicken Little" thing.

This is a VERY simple issue to provide insurance against, the same way teaching a newbie to build good, solid linkages can keep them from losing a plane. Which by itself, by the way, loses THOUSANDS OF TIMES AS MANY PLANES for people as this huge potential hazard you're going on and on about ever possibly COULD.

I picture you as somebody who has been flying for maybe a couple of years at most, because I cannot picture ANYBODY coming up through this hobby and having to experience the kinds of typical losses we all had to endure (time after time) from radios, interference, poor batteries, etc. If you knew ANYTHING at all about all the evolution of RC and radios you would realize just how silly you sound with your insistance that this is a horrible setup. Guys like me PRAYED for this for 30 years.

This voltage cutoff issue. It is such a small thing, and ANY responsible adult modeler who is sufficiently informed simply will NEVER have to worry about this. The odds of you getting into your car and being smashed into on the way to the corner store are HUGE compared to this. The odds of one of us forgetting to get a new battery when two or three years have passed is HUGE compared to this.

You're trying to sound a warning siren over something SO SMALL, SO UNCOMMON that you make no sense. There are literally dozens and dozens of issues that occur far more frequently, issues that happen to us ALL.

Planes go down at the flying fields every day. I remember when getting a hit was the most common thing pilots would blame on the crash. That wasn't true, and most of us guys would just nod our heads and listen to the guy, knowing that he more than likely dumb-thumbed it into the ground, or something failed. On and on he would go, trying to convince HIMSELF that it really was a hit. We knew better. But that's a part of field ettiquete, letting the guy talk. What's the difference? His plane is dead, he's grieving. Perhaps he is a guy we all knew to do a real slap-dash job on his linkages (my buddy Ken) or re-use a RX with a case and board glued back together (my buddy John), or ran his battery really low a lot, or a hundred other things. He usually had (many times) done something that he knew was not real smart, and it had finally caught up with him.

Something like flying a Spektrum with low batteries or insufficient electrical power for the system in the plane.

The irony here is that YOU are trying to warn people about something ...they were told about. They've been warned by Spektrum, long before you. You just like to have somebody to chase around and point at.

Heheheh....my wife just walked by and read this whole mile-long post. She told me that she could have saved me the half-hour I took to write it by writing just three words.

"Get a life!"

I guess she told me! Or was that YOU?

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/12/2009 5:27 PM

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Heheheh....my wife just walked by and read this whole mile-long post. She told me that she could have saved me the half-hour I took to write it by writing just three words.

"Get a life!"

I guess she told me! Or was that YOU?"

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Either way it's right.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/12/2009 7:34 PM

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Hey! I resemble that remark!

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/12/2009 11:20 PM

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You say I am not part of the solution, neither are you, by ignoring the problem and telling users of this equipment that the fault does not exist you have become the worst possible naysayer, this problem still exists and ignoring it is asking for problems for those new to the hobby and inexperienced in the power usage of their equipment.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/13/2009 12:51 AM

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You say I am not part of the solution, neither are you, by ignoring the problem and telling users of this equipment that the fault does not exist you have become the worst possible naysayer, this problem still exists and ignoring it is asking for problems for those new to the hobby and inexperienced in the power usage of their equipment.

Mike

I will have to say that your responses are becoming more and more child like in nature.
Lots of wind but no content.

Where is the list of BIG NAMES who had this problem??
I'm still waiting, as we both know it does NOT exist.

Why not dredge up Dunkirk? At least there you've got a case and a few facts.
It too is History and therein lies the similarity, ___ roughly as germane as your other posts.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/13/2009 12:55 AM

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Wow... I've been flying an Ultra Stick 40 all season with 2.4GHz JR X9303, R921 RX, SEVEN HiTec HS478HB analog servos and a single 4.8v 1650mAh NiMH pack. After an all-night slow charge, I can fly at least four 15 minute flights before my RX pack voltage drops to 5.0v using a Sig ESV. I take a reading on the pack prior to EVERY flight.

No issues what-so-ever, just rock solid control and reliability. All my 2.4Ghz RXs were sent in for the quick reconnect update.

Once again, NOT the stock mfg pack. More volts and/or capacity certainly raises the likelihood of success. Both is even better.

My system didn't come with an RX pack. Note that Futaba still ships a 600mAH NiCD with their 10C aircraft systems.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/13/2009 2:26 AM

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Did you hear anything, Onewasp? Yeah, me neither. No intelligent life to be found. Nothing worth reporting, to be sure. Beam me up, Scottie....

By the way, Onewasp, I think that what's-his-name with the mis-spelled bird in it was talking about the day that Queque Somanzini was able to cause a brownout during testing. "Had it happen" is a bit of poor reporting of the incident.

Anyway, Pipemajor, Spektrum DX7's come stock with an 1100 mAh pack, plenty for the four that come with the radio.

And Bruce, he WAS upgrading adequately by what he has described. Plus, he was checking his batteries and quitting while well in the green zone. Kudos, Pipemajor!

Bruce, you're probably like me, I'm prone to using a 2500 mAh NiMh just because they're so light and Radical RC sells them for such a good price most of the time. I like to go 6-Volts if there's any likelihood of high draw.

If one is 32 bucks and the bigger one is 34 bucks, I'm gonna go with the bigger one if it doesn't weigh a lot more!

What are you running these days?

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/13/2009 10:47 PM

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Your guys funny, Quique destroyed a Python on a brown out at a show it was not during testing the regulator he was using was unable to suppy sufficient voltate to the Rx due to the demand of the high power digital servos he was using, the facts do exist, but being blinkered and not accepting a fault that still exist seem a bit foolish to me, but then its a free world, except if anyone disagrees with you.

Acuse me of being childish and then bring up Dunkirk.

Amazing retoric, but very sad.

Well you have achived what you set out to do, I will unsubscribe from this nonsence and leave you to play by yourselves.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/13/2009 11:28 PM

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DEAL.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/14/2009 12:49 AM

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WOOHOO!! Does this mean we can get back to helping people with programming troubles again?

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/14/2009 1:59 AM

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????.....

Maybe....
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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/19/2009 4:15 AM

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Has anyone experienced a problem with moisture buildup inside the transmitter? If so, has it caused a problem? A buddy of mine left his transmitter in his truck during a heavy rain and his interior got moisture in the carpet. The next morning he awoke to a transmitter which blew the fuse upon powering up. The LCD screen was fogged up pretty bad. He flew his plane fine for the first 5 minutes, then got intermittent control until it crashed. The transmitter has since been dried thoroughly and is working great again. In hindsight he shouldn't have flown until dried.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/19/2009 4:23 AM

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A guy walks into his Doctor and says; "Doc, it hurts when I move like THIS...."

The Doctor says; "Then don't move like that!....."

Heat and moisture are electronics worst enemies. That's why cell phones die when they get dropped into the water.

Your friend should send his in with a note telling what happened to it. Units that get wet may SEEM to recover, but they usually corrode before long and die.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/25/2009 4:49 PM

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Thanks Jim

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/26/2009 2:32 AM

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No problemo...... I'm just doing my part in trying not to get Spektrum blamed for another crash!

LOL

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/28/2009 6:17 PM

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I just popped in to this Forum, and I see plenty of happy Spektrum users on site so I hope somebody can help.

Yesterday I used my Spektrum Flight Log for the first time on a 7000 Rx. After the first flight the readout was
A127, b- - -, L002, r- - -, F000, H000
and after the second
A007, b- - -, L003, r- - -, F000, H000

But nowhere does it say in the instructions what it all means. OK, I had no Frame losses let alone Holds, but exactly for which antenna or antennae does the A count Fades?
Same question for b, L and r??
Does A count fades on both antennae of the mainRx and add the result? or what?

I tried unplugging the satelite Rx and the L fade count shot up rapidly, so L counts fades on one (or is it both) satelite antenna(e)

What is the significance of the 3 dashes on b and r? Does it mean that the fade count is not available or something is not working or not plugged in?

I hope someone on the Forum can answer as the UK agent/importer did not know.
What is the significance

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/28/2009 7:35 PM

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I have no answer for you, but have to say that its almost amazing that after this thread being around for almost 3 years that someone can ask a question that has never been asked that I can remember. Seems as if the flight logger is rarely talked about at all. Good luck, Im sure someone has info for ya.

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/28/2009 7:47 PM

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I just popped in to this Forum, and I see plenty of happy Spektrum users on site so I hope somebody can help.

Yesterday I used my Spektrum Flight Log for the first time on a 7000 Rx. After the first flight the readout was
A127, b-, L002, r-, F000, H000
and after the second
A007, b-, L003, r-, F000, H000

But nowhere does it say in the instructions what it all means. OK, I had no Frame losses let alone Holds, but exactly for which antenna or antennae does the A count Fades?
Same question for b, L and r??
Does A count fades on both antennae of the mainRx and add the result? or what?

I tried unplugging the satelite Rx and the L fade count shot up rapidly, so L counts fades on one (or is it both) satelite antenna(e)

What is the significance if the dashes on b and r? Does it mean that the fade count is not available or something is not working or not plugged in?

I hope someone on the Forum can answer as the UK agent/importer did not know.
What is the significance

Instructions http://www.spektrumrc.com/ProdInfo/Files/Flight_Log_Instructions.pdf look pretty specific to me.

A more complete answer would include comments on the right hand side of page 2 of this http://www.spektrumrc.com/ProdInfo/Files/SPMAR7000UserGuide.pdf

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RE: Spektrum DX-7 - 9/28/2009 8:24 PM

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thanks bruce88123 but that doesn't answer the question at all.

OK, a simpler question.
If you have used a Flight Log on a 7000 Rx, after a flight do you get fades recorded, ANY fades on all four counters, A, b, L and r ????

Or do you only ever get fades recorded on A and L???

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