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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 6/3/2007 9:53:30 AM   
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does nayone have a video of this plane??...not from inside.
Thanks....Tony


Pubhi's video is still on yahoo video just do a search for Keecat and its the second one.

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 6/5/2007 12:20:46 AM   
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That's awesome marv...i'm glad to hear it did well. I know the maiden flight can be a tongue biter but this place flies very well and lands lands better than any trainer out there. I just came back from flying mine i've got my fix for a couple of days, at least. Like I said before, the only place I have to fly down here is off a road that runs right next to the beach and there is always a X-wind present. I can honestly say that this plane lands so beautifully even in a 10mph X-wing that you can't believe it. I hope you get to fly it again soon and if you do, be sure to make a video cuz i'd like to see what sort of speed you are getting out of it. I wonder if you should try to lighten the weight a little because 1.5lbs of lead in the nose sounds like a whole lot. I don't know about the tank though since you are running a larger engine than mine. I get about 10 mins at full throttle out of a 12oz tank. Anyway, keep me updated.

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 6/5/2007 7:45:36 PM   
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Pubhi, I will keep you posted, I have no means of Videoing anything but I could get some really good pictures. On another forum they have clculated the CofGto be 205 mm have you tried yours at this position?

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 6/10/2007 4:06:55 AM   
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guys, is anyone running a 61 motor in this jet? how is it....do you think it is underpowered?

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 6/10/2007 8:48:03 AM   
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hi, i am running a sc 75 engine, on 11+10 prop and have used a 11+8, very under powered,

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 6/11/2007 3:28:01 AM   
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Can you give some more specs on that engine? You might have it over propped because i'm running a tower hobbies .75 and I know i'm hitting 90mph with an APC 11X7 on 20% fuel.


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hi, i am running a sc 75 engine, on 11+10 prop and have used a 11+8, very under powered,


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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 6/11/2007 8:48:37 PM   
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will a asp 61 and the tower 75 be very different in speeds?

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 6/11/2007 11:33:05 PM   
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I haven't used the engine before but the engine being smaller, it will fly the plane a slower. I can't tell you exactly how much slower but it will make a difference. My opinion here is that you should not be using anything less than a 75 for this plane if you are looking for good performance.


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will a asp 61 and the tower 75 be very different in speeds?


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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 6/14/2007 10:09:58 PM   
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I have it on good authority that Wiz has flown his with an OS 61 FX and its no slouch with this motor. He's turning a graupner 11x8 prop and acheiving a grand rate of knots. Here's a cut and paste from our forum over this side of the pond.....

I would certainly use a separate pack for retracts if I were using retract servos - I'm using 13Kg metal geared "normal" servos which means you can set travel etc. very accurately so I'm not overly concerned.

Weeeeellll ....Maiden was this morning! Got down to the patch to find that not only had the grass not been cut too much this week but also the strip was littered with sheep's pooh! Not good for 2.5" wheels but, undeterred, I fuelled her up and the OS61FX which has been moth-balled for 5 years sprang into life on the first flick, after a manual prime. The range check was fine and I could no longer find a reason not to commit aviation - or at least try!

I'm running with a Graupner 11x8 prop and as I mentioned before, I was a little concerned that the .61 might not have enough ooomph. With 11600 on the tacho, there was plenty of urge so out to the pooh-laden strip ...

Opened her up and away she went ...even on the rough ground she was soon in the air. First thing I noticed was that she does have a propensity to put her nose in the air a bit too easily so I dialled-in 5 or 6 clicks of down and she was straight & level at half-throttle. Not bad at all ...

No worries about the power - oodles of it - I really don't think you'd need much more - high speed low pass and it's rapid, very rapid!

I put her up into a lovely big loop - when I realised the cloud base was a lot lower than I thought! I lost sight of her ...but I remember my old instructor telling me that unless I'd done something different, the model was probably going where I last saw it so I held on the elevator, reduced the power ...and she re-emerged from the gloom! Phew!

The roles are lovely, reversals, half cubans ...are awesome ...and now for an approach, see how she slows down ...and ...errr she doesn't! On the 4th go-around, I reduced the idle speed even more and tried a "high alpha" approach which worked better but she still came down fast!

The nose leg failed - well, not really failed as such - the T-bar locking mechanism had jumped out of it's guides but I put it back in - I think it'll be fine but I could probably do with a new nose retract. We do have a fairly short strip though and, with the longish grass and sheep's pooh, I think I did rather well!

All in all - big grin factor


So there you have it. Yo dont need a massive motor to make this bird sing. We do try and keep things as light as possible over here. Sticking a massive engine on an airframe designed for a certain power plant not only increases the AUW of the airframe (due to the engine and the ballast needed to balance the airframe) but also increases the drag.

I will be attending one of the UK's better shows this weekend and will be picking up a keecat whilst I'm there. Personally I cant wait to get to get one built.
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Oh dear I think I've come down with a dose of unclesamism. Where's my bottle of ale and union jack shorts?

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 7/1/2007 1:17:57 AM   
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i am having a problem with my muffler being in the way of one of the retracts....does anyone else have this problem?

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 7/1/2007 9:14:14 AM   
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Nope,

Whilst the 'manual' shows the engine being mounted at a 9 o'clock position, there's really no reason why you should do it this way. In fact you cause more hardships for yourself if you do follow the manual here.

I did in fact pick one up at the Weston Park Model Air show, one of the better shows we have here in the UK. If anyone is ever over here from USA in the middle of June, you should definately visit this show. Its not massive by any means, but has a beautiful setting (imagine flying down the faiway of a nicely forested golf course) in the grounds of a stately home, and you will see most of the top UK pilots in action. There's always a good trade presence. Anyway I digress.....

Both Wiz's and my installation is with the engine upright, allowing the muffler to lay down the side of the airframe, and a straight run from the throttle servo, for the linkage. You can also get a Genesis mini throttle pipe over here from Weston UK. They have one that is configured for pusher set ups at about £40. When my wallet recovers from the Keecat purchase I'll be having one myself.

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 7/1/2007 3:40:15 PM   
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i would need to drill a new hole for the throttle linkage right?

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 7/1/2007 10:35:17 PM   
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More than likely, you may also have to reposition the intermediate pushrod supports as well.

I've now got to the stage where I have completed rigging the wings and tail assembly, as well as most of the nose wheel retraction mechanism, and need to focus on the rear retract setup. I will be taking the outer wing panels and booms off for transportation to the field so I've made some mods to help this along, such as hard points for the wing fixing screws and filling the incidence pegs with hardwood dowel. I cant believe the amount of wiring this thing is going to have. I am using Ashloks ( www.ashtekelectronics.com ) on all servo extension connections for security with twisted cable for the longer runs. I have a 3000mah 6v SC pack for the RX and flight servos, with a 2000mah 6v AA pack for the 2 (HD MG proportional) retract servos.

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RE: rich model keecat.60 size kingcat with retracts - 7/2/2007 3:13:58 AM   
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have you guys seen the flycat fronm www.kmp.ca if not its worth a look something diffrant and an interesting design not to take anything from the keecat at all

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