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Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/6/2006 4:37:15 PM   
Turbobearcat


 

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Status: offline 		I watched the movie yesterday to see how close to accurate they came to a Tiger I tank in this movie..

What I see was a horrible replica of a Tiger I..

1. The chassis was a T-34 looking tank with 6 road wheels(I think) with no interwheaving wheels..
2. The turret at first looked rigt from the distance until they showed it up close..that was horrible.. the 88mm was too small for the bore and the barrel lenght was too short and the wrong design for the 88mm. Turret was too narrow
3. tracks were way too narrow for Tiger I

over all this tank smalls like a T34 or similar tank from that time period..and you would think they would do a better job and use CGI and make a dead on replica Tiger I!


anything I might have missed they you might haev seen?


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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/6/2006 5:26:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		that tank seems having a hard time to steer(turn) in both movies

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/6/2006 5:28:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		making movies is money. not too many tigers around that will lease to production plus if you owned one would you want the special effects going off one your one of a kind. i had a chance to bid on 2 m 10 scout cars i stopped at 5000.00 . a GOOD OLD BOY from down south got them for 25 k each i talked to him he does them up for movie cos. said he was just an old poor boy tryin to make a living. you should have seen the transporters. poor boy heck i couldnt afford to feed the guy

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/6/2006 6:56:55 PM   
Turbobearcat


 

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it was rear driven!!!

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/6/2006 8:20:35 PM   
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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/6/2006 8:28:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am sure this isn't the only time a T-34 has been used to represent a Tiger I. Probably due to their availablity at the time. Who knows. the same thing was done in "Kelly's Heros" It had been a long time since I had seen the movie and recently saw it again and it jumped out at me.
As chickster stated ... "making movies is money."

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/6/2006 9:17:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to add my 2 cents worth to the Tiger/T36 clones in the movies.
Have a DVD from the History Channel titled "Battle Stations: Tiger Attack" have reenactors playing out some war sequences (Michael Wittmans Villers Bocage battle, using a Tiger 1 with what looks like T-34
running gear. (tracks are too narrow, smaller road wheels) From distance the tank looks pretty good, but in closeups there are a lot of other things not quite right. I just wandered where they get these Tiger clones from? I guess if you are making a documentary and have a limited budget, you use what's available.



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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/7/2006 7:11:25 AM   
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Only a tank expert would notice that the tank used in the movie is not a real Tiger. I also know that most of us here qualify as tank experts. I say enjoy the movie and don't be so hard on the inaccuracies.

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/7/2006 8:51:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		have seen that tank (pics on net) in a museum in europe ,can not remember wich one .still works,can be rent for movies.

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/7/2006 6:18:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think that I am correct in saying that the only genuine working Tiger 1 is the one at the Tank Museum here in England.

If you read the restoration story on their website you will realise that using it in a movie would be too risky and probably very expensive.

Since there were some 50,000 T34's produced compared to 1400 Tigers it is not surprising that they use T34's as a base for these replicas.

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/7/2006 6:26:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		the tiger at bovingdon is the only working tiger in the world, the rest are fake for film use etc

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/7/2006 7:20:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Turbobearcat
over all this tank smalls like a T34 or similar tank from that time period..and you would think they would do a better job and use CGI and make a dead on replica Tiger I!




It is a T34. There's some bonus footage on the dvd of them creating it. CGI would be more expensive, plus because of the nature of the scenes with the tank, it would've been difficult to shoot and add it in later.

Personally, as far as replicas go, I think it's not bad. At least they didn't just paint German crosses on some Patton tanks and call it a Tiger...

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/7/2006 7:22:52 PM   
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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/8/2006 12:32:59 AM   
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Status: online 		You really wanna laugh? Look at a few of the older US movies:

Patton: Used M41 Walker Bulldogs, M48 and M60 Pattons, both for Allied and German tanks.

Battle of the Bulge: Used pose WW2 era US tanks (still looking to acquire my own copy)

Kelly's Heroes: used T34's for the Tigers, and US halftracks for the German ones (look at the track assembly)

Big Red One: even more laughable, it used Israeli SuperShermans for German Panzers, apart from one knocked out Russian wreck from the Arab-Israeli war.

Of nice interest is the additional CD on the restoration CD. It shows a newsreel blurb on the 1ID, and has many tank shots. I'll post a few screen caps if anyonw wants to see 'em (the Isreali Shermies or the newsreel tanks)

The WW2 treaty said Germany had to have all the weapons destroyed or confiscated. I've seen a pic in my net-travels of a huge scrap-pile of aircraft and tank pieces, presumably after they'd been cut apart. France had a whack of Panthers, and some other countries got armor pieces, and a lot of it ended up later in the Middle East.

The few pieces of armor that were saved intact were usually ones recovered for examination (like Bovington's Tiger) and managed to avoid the wreckers or a death as a range target. The monument to the Canadian Armored Carrier unit that used Ram Kangaroos that is now in Mill, Holland was a former range wreck.

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RE: Tiger I in Saving Private Ryan movie - 11/8/2006 4:37:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		You are allowed to laugh at the gray-painted M47 Pattons which were chosen to depict German tanks but the American tanks were represented by the WWII M24 Chaffee. While an accurate depiction, M24's were in production prior to December 1944 but only two took part in the actual Battle of the Bulge. Quite shocking actually.

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