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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/1/2008 4:06:57 AM   
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Something is likely pressing up against the elevator and forcing the servo and making that gear or two fail or the jittering in shipment is rubbing the wiper on the feedback pot element. Either way the elevator likely needs to be cleared of any contact or locked.

The easy fix would be to disconnect the elevator pushrod from the servo or the control horn.


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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/1/2008 6:09:21 PM   
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I got to fly Grace for 3 short flights yesterday, but it didn’t all go as planned. First let me say she’s a great flyer. Just a firm toss it’s off in a nice wings level climb – even though I had to do a cross wind launch in a 7 mph breeze. I found it was docile on the rates listed on the box (which I set as low rates), but was a lot more fun when I went to high rates. Snaps and spins are a blast! Only one other person out there had flown 1/2A before and everybody was very surprised how well it flew and how fast it was when the engine ran right. I think they where expecting something like that flitters and was as fast as a power glider.

But these where very short flights. I couldn’t keep the engine running for more than a couple of minutes (longest flight was 4 minutes), and it was very difficult to start since the snapstart assembly is missing. The engine acts like it wants to constantly go from rich to lean. The needle was set 2-3/4 turns open for the nose to be tilted up or down with no change in speed, but after about 15 seconds it would act up. I have fresh 1/2A fuel that others I know have used this brand with no problems, and I even added an extra ounce of Sig Castor to the quart of fuel. There appears to be air bubbles in the fuel line, but there aren’t any holes that can be seen. I’ll replace it anyway just to be sure. I’ll also pull the backplate off and make sure the needle valve, fuel nipple and screen are not blocked. The compression also doesn’t seem to be that strong, or as strong as I thought it should be, and not nearly as good as my Black Widow or QRC. It just doesn’t have that good pop when flipping it over.

The weather here is forecast to be windy (upper 20’s to mid 30’s with gusts into the 40’s) for the next few days, and cold. Hopefully it’ll clear out early next week and I’ll get another chance to fly it. My camera man should be able to make it out to the field then and hopefully get some video of it.

I have some Sullivan 1/2A fuel tubing – should I use that instead of the standard fuel tubing that it looks like it has?

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/1/2008 6:26:25 PM   
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I think you need to set it richer. As I recall at least 3 turns. It should run rich when it is level and speed up when you point the nose vertical. Set it to run well with the nose vertical and don't worry about the rich at level. There is plenty of fuel and it gets leaner as it flies anyway. We had it where it flew like a control line plane. 4 cycling going down and 2 cycling when climbing.

A half A starter will really make life easier too.

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/6/2008 4:14:02 AM   
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Weather is supposed to be decent tomorrow afternoon - mid 40's and winds under 10 mph. Sounds like a flying day to me.

I shot some fuel through the nipple with the needle valve out to try and clear any dirt from it but didn't want to try and run it tonight after dark. I can also pull the backplate and see if the reed is clean if needed at the field. I replaced the fuel line with some medium sized fuel (same size as was there) and couldn't see any holes in the old one, so into the parts bag it went. I'm also going to take a spare Sure Start with me. If Grace's engine doesn't want to run right I'll see what a new SS will do. One question - in case I do change engines, what is the run-in procedure for a SS? Its been so long since I've run a new one I don't remember.

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/7/2008 2:22:38 PM   
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I dont know of a run-in procedure per se, I just always run it blubbery rich for a tank or so at first and then just run-em.

Be sure to check the fuel line inside the tank Hogflyer. Sometimes the brass tube is sharp and will wear the pickup line at the attachment.

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/7/2008 4:01:03 PM   
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After changing the fuel line and engine, it got 5 good flights with 2 pilots yesterday with no surging issues like before, and all the flights where with ½ oz. of fuel in it. I’m going to put the original engine back on and fly it as I think the fuel line between the tank and engine was the problem. If this is the case I’ll pitch the old fuel line (or do you want to keep that as a souvenir DF?) and put a spare line in the part bag for the future. I hope to fly it again Sunday as the winds will be less than 10 mph and temps mid to upper 40’s and get some good video of it.

The other pilot besides my self is one of the best IMAC pilots in the midwest, Loren Tregalles. He made it look like it was on rails and said it flies just like the 1/2A Honker does. I tried to get my camera man to fly it but he declined – he has this thing about not wanting to fly somebody else’s plane and wrecking it.

DF – would you like me to check the piston/rod for play and reset it if it needed while I have the engine off the plane?

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/7/2008 8:00:10 PM   
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ProBroJoe might have done that but it never hurts to snug it up. Not everyone has a reset tool.

Thats cool you got Loren give it a try!

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/8/2008 4:44:11 PM   
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I have a reset tool i will donate for grace all i need is the next person inline to send it to before grace gets there can add to her bag let me know

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/8/2008 5:10:48 PM   
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I couldn’t keep the engine running for more than a couple of minutes (longest flight was 4 minutes), and it was very difficult to start since the snapstart assembly is missing.


I'll send a snapstart -- spring and plastic ratchet -- I just need to know the next location.

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/9/2008 5:35:39 AM   
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dieFluggeister can verify it, but from the roster on the Crow River web site, Grace should be heading out to ebeneezer3 in Tucumcari, NM. I'll be getting his address this week and will pass that on layback2 and Andrew when I have it.

Winds are forecast to be about 6 mph tomorrow with temps in the upper 50's so I hope to get several more flights on Grace, and there are a few more pilots who would like to get a chance to fly her.

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/9/2008 3:23:14 PM   
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Sorry about the snap start guys. Even though that was a new SureStart that I installed, I removed the starter spring / ratchet because that's the way Grace was already set-up, and frankly I can't stand those darn things buzzing and grinding away as the engine's running. Also, I've heard there's 3-400 RPM to be had without it, and with that much friction I believe it! Oh, regarding the ball socket, it was pretty good out of the pack so I didn't touch it, but I completely forgot to check it before I sent Grace on her way - sorry.

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/9/2008 6:34:57 PM   
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Grace has serious engine issues. I went and checked the ball/socket (before I read ProBorJoe's post) and there was almost 1/16" travel up and down , and lots of side to side movement also. I've been slowly trying to tighten up the socket and kept fitting piston back in the cylinder to make sure it doesn't mushroom. Right now it's starting to get some drag on the top of the stroke and there is still too much travel in the rod. At this point I think she'll need at minimum a new piston/rod. By comparison my new SS had almost no play when new comapred to Grace's engine, and when I tightened up the socket it was solid in the socket with no play yet not too tight. I'm afraid to try and tighten up the socket any more for fear of mushrooming the piston to the point it won't fit the cylinder .

I think this is one of the infamous soft piston engines Estes/Cox is known for. My problem is I have only one Sure Start, and that's the replacement for my worn out and bent QRC, so does anybody have a spare piston/rod or Sure Start? Right now I'm getting ready to head out to fly Grace and see how the engine runs with the socket tightened up a bit and the new fuel line on it.

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/9/2008 8:11:32 PM   
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I can swap you out a new SS for the one you put on Grace a while ago. I have a couple laying around.

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RE: Postal Plane Project - 3/12/2008 5:12:59 PM   
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Here's a repost since the previous post was deleted.................RCU system issues?

Well, it looks like the winds and weather will not cooperate through the weekend so, as much as I’d like to get a few more flights on her I guess I'll get Grace ready to send on. I believe ebeneezer3 is next up on the list. This is such a fun flying little plane I hate to send her off – 7 flights are just not enough (I will make another attempt tomorrow as winds are forecast to be 10 mph, but this not the best time of year in this area to fly a light weight 1/2A model). With the controls set up as recommended on the box it has proven a docile, fun flying plane and can be handled by somebody who is capable of taking-off/landing a trainer. But since most of my flying was on high rates it was a lot of fun. A Grace project is definitely on the “to be built” list.

I put my SS back on Grace to send her off with. It has six 6-minute runs (1/2 oz each run) on it and I reset the socket before I first started