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How to start the RCV - 1/22/2003 8:16:36 AM   
fly4food18


 

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What is the best way to start the RCV engines? Some people have said to do it like a normal engine, on the spinner. Or is it best to do it behind the prop?

I am looking to put the RCV 90 on my TF P-51. Is there any one out there with this set up? What do you all think? any mounting, and muffler tips? any easy way to the fuel mixture?

Thanks
Brian
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How to start the RCV - 1/23/2003 4:35:46 AM   
Otto Kudrna



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Hello
This engine will start the convectional way. Any way you have been starting engines, this one will start the same way. I Hand flip all of mine with no problem.

Otto KUDRNA

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How to start the RCV - 1/24/2003 7:39:58 AM   
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Brian:

I just bought an RCV 90 for my H-9 P-51. I am curently flying the plane with a YS 91 and the performance is quite good. My plan is to install the RCV and see what, if any, differences there are. I put about 1 hour and 20 minues on mine on the bench this past weekend. I plan to install the engine next week (after I get another hour on it). I will intially fly it with a two blade prop but I have pruchased a Zinger 17x10 three blade and a 16x10 four blade prop to try. I will keep you posted one the results.

Incidentally, I used a starter on my engine for the first hour of running. On the fifth 15 minute run and subsequent starts, I started the engine by hand. The thing it seems to like is to be chocked a lot. I covered the carb and flipped the prop over about 10-15 times. The engine started right up.

Later,
Ed

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How to start the RCV - 1/24/2003 5:35:55 PM   
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Hello
If you read threw the first few posts in the "ASK OTTO " section, the starting procedure is covered in some detail.

Thank You
Otto Kudrna

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How to start the RCV - 1/25/2003 1:39:20 AM   
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Thank you for your replys.

ED, keep me poasted on your plane. I am very interested. I am looking to get an engine later next mounth.

Thanks
Brian

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How to start the RCV - 1/29/2003 1:24:52 AM   
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I read the starting procedure in the "Ask Otto" thread. I have additional engine starting questions...

If the engine is completely cowled in and thre is no access to the carburator to cover it with my finger to choke the engine before starting, what should we do?

Juice

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How to start the RCV - 1/30/2003 1:18:10 AM   
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good question Juice. That is some thing i will be running in to I have seen some people cover the muffler to Prime it. how about that? I don't like doing that.

Thanks
fly boy

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How to start the RCV - 1/30/2003 5:28:07 AM   
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Flyboy and Juice:

Covering the exhaust of the muffler and turning the engine over will work. I use this approach on all my other conventional four strokes and it works just fine.

Ed

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How to start the RCV - 1/30/2003 6:02:43 PM   
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Thank You Ed
This is correct. Plugging the exhaust and turning the prop works beautifully, than point the tail of the airplane in the air and turn the prop over twice to allow all the fuel from the tail pipe to flow into the engine. Once the airplane is put back on the ground any excess will run out and the engine should start right up on the first or second flip. These engines are next to impossible to flood out. I have not yet been able to do so.

Otto Kudrna

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How to start the RCV - 1/31/2003 7:18:42 AM   
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Brian:

I haven't had a chance to do anything with the RCV other than run it a bit. I ordered a Zinger 16X10 four and three balded props today. My plan is to install the RCV in the H9 P51 and see how the engine performs. I will provide feed back and RPM data on these two props as well as the APC 16x12 that I broke the engine in on.

Later,
Ed

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How to start the RCV - 2/1/2003 2:11:26 AM   
fly4food18


 

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Thanks Ed
I am looking forward to the Information you have on this.

thanks
Brian

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How to start the RCV - 2/3/2003 6:20:44 AM   
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Brian, et all:

Just an update on the RCV 90 and the H-9 Mustang. I finally decided to take the engine off of the test bench and am in the process of fitting it to the Mustang. This is no easy task as the RCV is about 1/2" shorter than the YS 91 that I had in the plane. I had to make a spacer plate to get the engine to the correct length to clear the cowl. What I did was to make two spacer plates of 1/4" ply each. I cut a good portion of the center of the rear plate out so that I could fit the RCV backing plate (couldn't fine any M4 x.7 screws long enough to go thru the 1/2" ply + the firewall + the thickness of the engine mounting flange. Anyway, once I got the rear spacer cut out I glued the two plates together to form a spacer of the correct thickness I began the process of mounting the spacer and engine to the Mustang firewall.

My hope is to get all of this done in the next few days. I have ZInger 16"x10" three and four bladed props on order and they should be here by Thursday. My hope is to get the plane in the air over this coming weekend. I have about 15 flights on the P-51 with YS 91 power so I should be able to tell fairly quickly if the engine is going to fly the model any better or worse than the YS.

By the way, I ran the RCv for about 30 minutes on Saturday (this makes a total of a hr and 50 minutes). Incidentally, all of my rining has been on Powermasted 10 % nitro with 18% oil. The I ran fifteen minutes at various throttle settings between 3800 and 4800 RPM. The last fifteen minutes we spent mostly above 5000 RPM. Using a Zinger 18"x6-10" prop, I tacked the engine at 5350 RPM. I spent some time leaning the engine out on the tip end and adjusting the carb bottom end. I did notice that with the above prop and the engine at full throttle (5300 RPM) the needle seems rather sensitive. I found that a movement of about 6-7 clicks take the engine from the slobbering rich side to the lean side (it falls off rapidly and drops RPM). This was rather surprising but I think it is managable. We shall see.

One other thing about the engine. Once I had about 1 hour on the engine, I could hand start it quite easily. I simply pulled the prop thru about 4 or 5 times and then attached the ingiter. One or two flips and it strated up.

I will keep the group posted on the progress of the experiment.

Later,
Ed

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120 - 2/3/2003 11:59:21 AM   
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Ed,

I wanted to get into this topic in the prop section, but that would not have been very thread specific, would it?

I called Otto the other day and, among other things, asked him if the RCV's 'breathe' any easier than a normal 4-stroke. He said 'yes'. I'm sure you are familiar with the typical valve train of a 4-stroke. The RCV's pull easier and exhaust easier. This is prominent at operating speed. I'm thinking that is why we need to prime the tar out of them. It's not so prominent (the vaccum, pull) at low(hand) speeds as a typical 4- stroke. It needs more priming props turns to get the fuel in there. My theory on the sensitive needle valves is that the motor pulls SO well that it exaggerates any change to the needles. (as compared to typical 4) Any credence here?
Maybe I've been in engine exhaust too long.

Keep us posted on the 'Stang!!

Chip

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Sounds Great - 2/4/2003 11:55:29 AM   
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Hey This sounds great.

Let me know what you think about the flight. Also how the 4 blade prop looks when you get it. I am interested in getting some for my Mustang.

Thanks
Brian

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