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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 7/30/2009 2:10 PM   
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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 7/31/2009 3:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi mothey.  The 91 is a 4 stroke.  I just love the sound.  Plus the Magnum price is so much better than a comparable sized OS. 
I have decided to stay with the stock Trike gear.  I was talking with one of the guys who built the 60 with the retracts and he said he was sorry he did.    I have come to the conclusion that until I get alot better at this hobby I should probably stay with the stock plan.  When I feel ready for taildragger or retracts, I will look for the appropriate kit then.  I just hafta learn more patience. 

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 7/31/2009 4:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		My first tail-dragger (and maiden flight to boot) was a Tiger 2. I found it easier to take off and land than my Avistar trainer was.
You're certainly wise to skip the retracts, but don't be so quick to dismiss the tail-dragger. It's a very simple mod and well worth the effort.

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 7/31/2009 4:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		Stevenmax50, Krossk is right. Don't dismiss the idea of building your tiger as a tail dragger or at least leaving the option open to modify it in the future. I don't know how experienced your are as a flyer but at the risk of telling you something you may already know, trikes are easier for ground handling and take off /landing that a tail dragger and more suitable because of this for a novice. But tail draggers aren't difficult to master and as you develop in the hobby especially if you have scale in mind you wil need to be able to fly both.
It may be worth thinking about installing a second lot of main gear mountings in anticipation that you may convert to tail dragger in the future. These would have to be mounted forward of the points used for the trike setup . If you aren't sure how far forward it isn't too hard to work out. Imagine the model sitting on a table or floor with the tail raised so that the fuselage is parallel to the surface, the same position that it would be in when flying straight and level. Then look vertically down at the leading edge of the wing . In the tail dragger setup you should be able to see the axle just at the leading edge in other words half the wheel is showing forward of the leading edge. Any further forward and it becomes difficult to get the model to rotate on take off and any further back and it will tend to nose over on landing.
The 91 4 stroke will be nice and I agree that magnum are good value for money. I have also found that they are reliable and robust . In the good old days they weren't .
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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 7/31/2009 1:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm on my third Tiger. The first was a Tiger II, the others were/are the .60. All three tail draggers. Very easy mod. For the front LG on all three, I just reinforced the fuse right in front of the bulkhead where the wing dowel hole goes and mounted the gear there. I'm using fiberglass LG that I got from the LHS. It wouldn't be too hard to just reinforce those areas during the build and the very end of the fuse where the tail gear goes. I would even go as far as drill the holes and put in the blind nuts. Then, you can simply unfasten one set of gear and fasten on the other as you feel comfortable.


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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 10/2/2009 11:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry I have been away for awhile guys.  Thanks for the input on taildraggers.  My research has shown me that the problem gear for this bird is the retracts.  I met a guy at the local field the other day who has had 3 Tigers.  I have become convinced to mod to the taildragger version when I finally get to build the kit. 
Since I want to buy kit, radio, and engine all at once, I have a deal with my wife.  Engine on my B'day in Nov.  The rest on Xmas.  My build thread will start that  night!!!  Watch for me then guys and thanks for the input.  Any and all advice is welcome with me.

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 10/3/2009 12:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Retracts are a problem on any model. There is no doubt that a model looks much better in the air with its gear up and somehow they seem to fly better (which is probably psychological as some of the best flying models of all such as Edges and Extras have fixed gear).
But they ALWAYS cause problems no matter what sort, air, mechanical or whatever.
I have a very experienced friend who is a scale modeller of renown and he never builds a scale model with retracts. I don't know how many times I've seen models significantly damaged on landing as a result of retract failure, either to come down or to lock resulting in belly landings, broken props and worse.
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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 10/26/2009 7:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I built a Tiger 60, years ago. Power was a 60 Rossi. I built her light - to fly. I never add anything just in case. If you do, it will weight more and " in case" you will do more damage.
It is a great airplane, visible and with good manners. Flying is very predictable. When I built her I did not know, but she gave years of service and 500 + flights. The only maintenance was replacing the wheels and repowering with an 60 SF OS. One day the covering on one side of the stab just ripped off with a bang! The airplance came in the land as usual. Not bad for 500 + flights.
There was an old guy at the field and he wanted to buy may plane bad. Finally I sold it to him minus receiver.
On his first flight, maybe one circuit, he bought the farm, nose first. Sad ending for a good plane.
On the subjest of CG. A nose heavy plane will fly. A tail heavy plane will not. Proven many a time at the field.
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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 10/27/2009 2:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stevenmax50 My build thread will start that  night!!!  Watch for me then guys and thanks for the input.  Any and all advice is welcome with me.
stevenmax50: I am so happy to find someone else building a tiger kit. I am in the process right now.The build log is on my web site:

http://jondbennett.com/index.php/build-logs.html

This one is a tiger 2 (the .40 size). I have finished the tail surfaces and am in the final stages of building the wing. I have not started the fuselage. One quick piece of advise: Once you finish the tops of the wings, and flip them over to glue them to the braces, there is a stand (a crutch) that holds up the center of the wing so that it is correctly positioned for the dihedral braces.. When I used the epoxy to glue the braces to the spars a bit of epoxy dripped out through the gap in the top sheeting and glued the wing to the crutch. I will now have to do some careful surgery with the dremel to remove the unwanted epoxy without damaging the center section. If I knew in advance, I would have applied some tape to the center sections to keep the epoxy from getting loose.
I too am planning the tail dragger. I just purchased this landing gear set:

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&W=001244594&I=LXHBP8&P=K
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&W=001244594&I=LXBN37&P=K

I am planning on powering with an Evolution .52. I am interested in any thoughts on the electronics. This is the largest model that I have built and I want it to last a long time. I am considering an on-board glow driver, a big lipo receiver pack with a switching regulator, and charging switches for both the receiver pack and the glow battery.Has anyone here had experiences with on-board glow drivers? If so, which ones did you like, not like, and why?

warbird2: I was looking at the tiger 60 in your gallery. A fine looking bird. You even went the extra mile and duplicated the standard tiger covering scheme (the white stripes). I am planning on being gaudy. The top will be orange with black tiger stripes and the bottom will be white with gray tiger stripes. I expect to leave the canopy clear and put the battery voltage indicators inside.

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 10/27/2009 11:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		hey jond....
beachwood here . im almost done with my tiger and would love to fly our tigers together some bromance and **** .
my finish will be in monokote pearl plum and good ol white . not very fancy. just plain easy to look at , until then stoner out.

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 10/28/2009 11:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Jon...I tried to go to the website in your posting but it would'nt work.  I just scrolled back up to it and now I see why.  The first word of the next sentance is also underlined.  I just hafta type in the address without that word attached.  Anyway, thanks for the info on your build.  
Do you have experiance with that engine?  I am going with the .91 4 stroke.  I have been told that the .70 is plenty of power but I am going with the larger engine for weight.  I have read that the Tiger 60 is tail heavy.  So I will have alot of power and maybe not have to add weight to the nose.  I hate adding weight.
As far as electronics....I am definatly going with a 2.4 radio.  The Airtronics 8 channel is priced right and a guy at my club field likes his alot.   I figure 8 ch is enough for many years cause it may be 5 years before i need all 8 channels on any model I may build.   
So far, I have never needed an on-board glow driver.  The Magnum I plan on installing will be inverted so should I consider a driver for that configuration?  Not really sure why a driver is needed. 
My finish will be fabric and paint.  But I have no idea of the scheme yet.  I will not decide that until the day before I buy the paint!
So within a few days of Xmas I will start a new thread in this forum for a new build.  Watch for me then!!!

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 10/30/2009 6:39 PM   
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I'd love to get together and fly.
Right not I am in the middle of the quarter at Ohio University, so it will probably be during winter break or so.
I'll PM and we can work out the details.

University Heights is about 4 hours north of Athens (according to Google maps).

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 10/30/2009 7:17 PM   
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I re-edited my post to try and correct the formatting errors. Good catch, thanks.

I have some experience with that engine. My brother and I used it last summer to power a US. Aircore trainer 40. It was way too much power for the aircore. It took some tweaking to get it to run correctly, but once the low-speed needle was adjusted, it ran great.

I would think a .91 would be a lot of power for a Tiger 60. I have noticed that having too much power never seems to get me in trouble. It it with too little power that things go bad. I have also read about tail-heavy issues with the Tigers. I sure hope that I don't have to add weight. I am considering a small flywheel.

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=EVO100219A

This whole thing about a glow-driver and a flywheel, and such is rooted in my experiences this summer. I have been flying a Duraplane Aerobat 40 as a tool to develop my landing skills before moving to an airplane that should not be crashed (that would be the Tiger). The Aerobat has an OS 40 LA, and I have been having trouble all summer keeping the engine running. Not only have I had lots of landing practice, but I have had lots of dead-stick practice as well. I have tried everything that I could think of, and asked the more experienced flyers for help. (Truly one of the best reasons to be in a club!). Everyone has been great, but we were not able to identify the reliability problem. It seems be something to do with fuel, because the engine does not die-out, it just stops cold. I have suspected air-bubbles in the line, but have not been able to eliminate them. I have padded the tank, balanced and re-balanced everything, and on and on.

Due to the high grass around our runway, I don't want to dead-stick the tiger and poke holes in the covering. I figure that with a small flywheel, a glow driver, and a padded tank I should not have any reliability problems with the engine. At least that is my hope.

I agree with the 2.4 choice. I am 2.4 now, and don't expect to own any 72 again. It is nice to turn on your transmitter without being concerned that you might shoot someone down, or be shot down yourself.

A fabric finish! Wow. That sounds great. I am still getting used to the iron-on coverings. In particular, I am still working on getting the bubbles out from under the trim. Doing my tiger in tiger stripes should give me lots of practice along those lines.

I'll be watching for your build thread!





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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/1/2009 3:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jon, to apply the stripes on the Tiger: i covered the plane final, then cut all the striping straight. One by one I take one stripe at the time and rub my finger on it lightly until the bubbles are gone, and with the flat of the iron, I glue it leaving 1/2 " where it is to meet the transversal. When this transversal meet the first one, both ends are are not fixed. I slide a little flat and thin aluminum under.
with the help of a ruler I cut the ends clean, and I press my iron down( no rubbing ) to finish. At the end of the striping, you can brush a clear on the edges or if you have many, spray a clear over the edges. With a big striping job, I spray paint the whole plane to make it last. It works.
Good luck with your striping.
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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/1/2009 11:06 PM   
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Thanks for the info on striping. It sounds like your method of joining trim lines would work great. I don't think I will have to join any of the tiger strips together, but I will have to try your method on the next plane.




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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/1/2009 11:09 PM   
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Have you carved the wing tips on your tiger yet?
Did you follow the instructions and glue them on the wing before shaping?
How did you shape them?
Which tools did you use?

I've never carved balsa like this before, so I am at a bit of a loss. I decided to do the rough shaping with a razor plane and coarse-grit
sandpaper, but now that the "top view" shaping is complete I cannot decide if I am going to glue them to the wings now or try
to get some more balsa off before I have to deal with the whole wing.

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/1/2009 11:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		On all three Tigers I've built, I've done my shaping after gluing the tips on. You need to be careful shaping with them off to make sure you don't wind up too short or skinny to meet shape of the last rib. As for tools, I find a nice palm orbital sander with rough grit paper works really well.


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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/1/2009 11:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		hey jon , stoner here ..
anyways , wing tip blocks are glued on and then sanded to desired contour. get a differernt engine.os really makes cheap garbage , not to mention the weak la series ,
at this time i have had a thunder tiger 46 for 2 seasons so far and not one dead stick<<<< keep it rich.
tiger 60 wings are 95 percent done . i modified some things with the wing .
i intend on using a saito 91 fs with a tail dragger set up . i fly in he balsa bashers club here in hamden township . its a major haul . but its on a great piece of land .pics will be up soon

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/1/2009 11:39 PM   
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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/3/2009 1:59 AM   
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hey jon , stoner here ..
anyways , wing tip blocks are glued on and then sanded to desired contour. get a differernt engine.os really makes cheap garbage , not to mention the weak la series ,
at this time i have had a thunder tiger 46 for 2 seasons so far and not one dead stick<<<< keep it rich.
tiger 60 wings are 95 percent done . i modified some things with the wing .
i intend on using a saito 91 fs with a tail dragger set up . i fly in he balsa bashers club here in hamden township . its a major haul . but its on a great piece of land .pics will be up soon


Congratulations on the 95% complete on the wing! It sounds like you are moving right along.
I am not planning on using an OS in this one. I am planning on an Evolution 52. Should provide
good power for a 40-size model, and I had great luck with that engine last summer.




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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/3/2009 2:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now for a big question to all of you.
I don't really like the idea of using torque-rods on the ailerons. I am not sure if or how to glue the torque rods into the aileron as I hinge it. Also, I don't like the idea of the torque rod being loose. I am paranoid about flutter.

I noticed that the ARF uses wing-mounted servos. I am thining of modifying my in a similar fashion.
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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/3/2009 1:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		hey jon.
fyi there are no torqe rods in the tiger 60 .wing mounted servos.
as far as the engine goes, try and get a 60 size , a 52 is for a 40 size airplane. some people put on a 75 engine .go with the bigger.

i imagine in week from now ill have the wing covered and pictures up . also . u should pin the hinges to the wing and ailron .
i started my build last winter and then my wife decided to move into a big house in beachwood .. so all went on hold
u can fly up here as a guest if u wish . it is a great pace
get a simulator i am this winter, hope all is well
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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/3/2009 4:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jon, I am putting a Magnum .91 4 stroke on my Tiger.  I have read many postings that claim the Tiger is tail heavy.  I was going to install the .72 4s but decided on the .91 just for the added weight on the nose.  As far as overpowered....who sys you have to fly at full throttle?  And I just love the sound a 4 stroke puts out.  I will be starting an entirely new Tiger 60 build thread in Dec.  I expect to get the kit on my B'day, Nov 30th.  The engine and radio will be under the xmas tree.  This thread is great and has ALOT of useful tips.  I will refere to it over and over when I build.  But I figure its kinda long now and a new thread is due.  See ya

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/3/2009 7:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi guys, I built my tiger 60 last winter and have been flying it since around May...
I have a Thunder Tiger Pro .61 on it.
I also had read it might come out tail heavy. It did not! It balanced perfect with the .61 on it. No additional weight required..
I had my battery up front under my fuel tank but have since moved it back into the radio compartment and even have played with stick on weights on the tail just to play with the CG a little.

I added about 1.25" to the rudder when building.

I turned the aileron servos so only the control horn sticks out of the wing, looks better.

I had allot of trouble keeping the fuselage straight. My 1st attempt (following the instructions) resulted in a bowed fuse which I sent back to Carl goldburg and they sent me a whole new kit. The 2nd fuse I made a custom jig off the plans and used that to keep the fuse straight while gluing up. It came out great on the 2nd try.

she's a great flying plane. The .61 is good but a .75 might be better?

Good luck..

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RE: Tiger 60 Build Thread - 11/3/2009 9:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Guys,
I have a plan built Tiger 60 that I have flown all year round now for 4 -5 years . If I had to estimate I would say it has had 150 flights and it is probably my favourite model ( out of 20 varing fron Extras to scale warbirds ). It is very easy to fly sedately if you want but also fast and pretty aerobatic if that is your choice but not as aerobatic as the Extra.
As to the aileron servos, yes mount in the wing. Mine is powered by a magnum 75 2 stroke which is very reliable and more than enough power. I
have a fellow club member who has a Tiger with a 91 4 stroke in it and it is really overpowered but that's what a throttle is for.
Cheers,
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