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Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/16/2006 3:31 PM   
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But take a close look at some of the specifications:

81" span (not bad, IMAA legal)

948 square inches (small but scale)

17-20 pounds (Pudgy little feller, eh?)

43 - 50 oz/sq ft (Holy #@$^&*)

Look for it in "late December", maybe March....July...



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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/16/2006 6:27 PM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/16/2006 6:48 PM   
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I would have expected 11 to 13 pounds for .46's. They never cease to disappoint me.


11 to 13 pounds for a 80" plane? Are you kidding me? Even the super-light aerobatic planes have a tough time reaching that goal, let alone a scaled out plane with retracts, etc.

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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/17/2006 4:51 AM   
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I would have expected 11 to 13 pounds for .46's. They never cease to disappoint me.


11 to 13 pounds for a 80" plane? Are you kidding me? Even the super-light aerobatic planes have a tough time reaching that goal, let alone a scaled out plane with retracts, etc.



Gee, I must be doing something wrong.

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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/17/2006 6:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can make a scale plane like a 310 at 80" weigh 11 pounds? I know pattern planes can do it. Not so sure about when you add in scale detail, retracts, etc. I have a Cub around that size that doesn't weigh anything, but a Cub is not a 310.

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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/17/2006 6:50 AM   
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I have two Rockwell Commanders, 79 inches, not built but in the box. The recommended wieght is 10 to 11lbs. They have fiberglass fuselages and nacelles and retracts.

I did one twin, a King Air, only 68" wing with two 40 fp bushing engines, one hp each. It weighed under 10 lbs. I'm not sure exactly what it weighed, but I believe it was under 10 #. It flew pretty good. But there wasn't much reserve power. The bushing engines are only 1hp. The 46 ball bearing engines are 1 1/2 hp. So, I think that two 46's can haul around about 15 lbs and probably no more.

I actually built an 80 inch C130 Hurk at 7 1/2 lbs. But it was for electric and wasn't built for any vibration.

I routinely build scale 60 size planes at 7 1/2 pounds. They are fat and with some detail.

I will concede that a mass produced plane may not be as light as ones built at home. I can see the C310 wieghing 13 or 14 lbs. I'll give you that much. But it just won't be very forgiving above that wieght. If I built a C310 myself and it wieghed 17 to 20 lbs, I would consider that a failure.

Now a ball bearing 60 can offers nearly 2 hp. But the C310 stats don't recommend a 60, they say a 50. The 50 is actually made in a 46 case and offers pretty good numbers. I'm actually using one on a Sig Bonanza, (7.5 lbs) Two 50's might be capable of flying a 17lb model. But again, I don't think there will be much reserve. The wieght of this model really suggest two 60's or even larger engines. I personally favor twin 46's because they idle so well and hold their tune almost permenantly. That is why I am so disappointed.

I feel it is very realistic to expect an 80 C310 to weigh 13 lbs and even less without the retracts. Especially if it is to have a good reputation and be forgiving and easily handled by the typical modeler.

I suppose time well tell if these numbers posted on the tower site are correct. And time will tell if this 310 flys well or not. I will hang back and watch before I run out and buy one. Or even worse, I might drag out one of the Commanders and get to work.

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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/17/2006 7:10 AM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/17/2006 5:19 PM   
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Did anyone notice this

"Lighting System: Wired and preinstalled"

That sounds pretty sweet!!!


I did, awesome feature. Is that a first for an ARF?

The real 310 has fairly high wing loading, so if this model does as well it shouldn't be a big deal. Fast approaches and takeoffs are a 310 trademark. I just wanna see a picture of this one so I can decide whether to get one or not. Weight won't be a consideration.

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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/17/2006 7:41 PM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/18/2006 4:46 AM   
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"difficult" to fly.



Thats all relative I'm sure its no more difficult to fly than a scale warbird or a jet. There are plenty of other "sport" arf twins out there with low wing loadings, if you can live with a non-scale looking plane (nitro planes 310)

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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/18/2006 5:56 AM   
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Great Planes seems to be moving toward great looking, unusual scale planes that are a real treat to look at, but "difficult" to fly. Personally, I wouldn't walk from the pits to the flight line for stick time on a twin with a 43-50 oz wing loading.

Jim



Jim's right. That's pretty high wing loading!

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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/18/2006 4:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		An 80" model with a 40oz wing loading will fly vert similar to a 70" model with 25-30oz wing loading. As the size increases, the wing loading becomes less of a factor. Most any warbird with 80-85" wingspan will have over 40oz loading.

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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/18/2006 7:13 PM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/19/2006 9:29 AM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/21/2006 2:03 PM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/22/2006 7:33 PM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/23/2006 7:35 AM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/23/2006 7:51 AM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/23/2006 8:45 AM   
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Its been a few years since I had a twin and I definitely feel the need coming back.

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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/23/2006 9:48 AM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/24/2006 12:54 AM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/24/2006 6:13 AM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/24/2006 11:47 AM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/24/2006 5:54 PM   
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RE: Top Flite Cessna 310 posted - 11/25/2006 8:55 PM   
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