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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 12/18/2006 11:21:56 PM   
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The bigger question may be whether it is RIGHT, or MORAL to buy a knock off made by 5 year olds making $.02 per day by a company that steals the design. Who's to say that Tamiya is not using the very same factory, and the very same 5 year old, but putting more profit in it's pockets?



Who knows, maybe they do maybe they dont. If they do make kids work for .02cents then thats not right. But the point is they basically steal the design from the company. I have seen a knock off T-maxx a couple of years back in a "AS You Seen it On TV" type store. It was cheaper but still. Try and get parts for that particular truck. There knock off's, they steal the design and then put on some cheaper parts, you then break those parts and good luck trying to find parts for some of those particular vehicles. Now some yes you can find them but some you cannot, but as I said earlier if you dont have the money then there fine. If you want to get a taste for the hobby then yes there fine. But if your serious then I dont think there fine and should get a name brand rc.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 12/19/2006 12:14:56 AM   
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The MLST is a perfect example; the problem with the diffs was not manufacturing, but rather the use of Mini-T parts on a larger more powerful vehicle.



actually, it doesnt share any mini t parts except for the gears in the center tranny and they are not at fault, its the pinion diff gears that are made of a plastic thats too weak for their job , and the main diff gears are also moulded with an inconsistent shape...

but as for those chinese knockoffs, as far as im concerned they are like frankenstein vehicles, for example that 'mad truck' has bumpers ,tyres and a body based off the lst1 (i ought to know), and a generic pan chassis, kinda reminds me of the losi 1/8 muggy seeing that its all flat (also its 1/8 scale in the description despite being 1/10 scale in the title), but it wont be anywhere near as good

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 12/19/2006 2:43:35 AM   
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If you want to get a taste for the hobby then yes there fine. But if your serious then I dont think there fine and should get a name brand rc.


This to me is the whole justification. I own several trucks, but I would be a fool to let just anybody drive my expensive Nitro's. To that purpose I keep a couple of Bonzers to let family/visitors/the kids play with when they come visit. And in that context they have served very well. To the point of bringing new enthusiasts to the hobby. Always with the advise that if you are serious about the hobby, get a name brand vehicle!!

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 12/19/2006 4:51:12 AM   
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but I would be a fool to let just anybody drive my expensive Nitro's. To that purpose I keep a couple of Bonzers to let family/visitors/the kids play with when they come visit. And in that context they have served very well. To the point of bringing new enthusiasts to the hobby. Always with the advise that if you are serious about the hobby, get a name brand vehicle!!


I 100% agree with what you have said here. Even though I do not own any and I rarely if ever let any one drive my rc's. And when I do I set the end points so they can only go about quarter to half throttle. As long as the advice in the end is IF YOUR SERIOUS ABOUT THE HOBBY THEN GO WITH A NAME BRAND VEHICLE then I have no problem with it.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revi... - 12/19/2006 8:38:52 PM   
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what i see here in these copycat cars is that theyre not hobby vehicles, they are just pure consumer goods, kind of like clothing that women (or extremely stylish men) wear only once ... on one end you have people who are out trying to make money, on the other end you have some guy who's probably called joe going 'ooh i want that' , it all works perfectly as far as the two ends are concerned

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revi... - 12/20/2006 9:10:50 PM   
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I agree with the last three posts......They serve their purpose. I would definitely let someone drive one of those when they came to my house. I currently have a used Pede I bought off the classifieds from here...for that purpose. As mentioned before, none of these cars are actually made in the US anyway....at least, not that I am aware of. However, the "real" manufacturers can demand a quality standard that we view as the "real R/C". The "knock offs" are only interested in selling a product.....to anybody for any reason. I was not fond when it all started years ago.....all of R/C going RTR, ARF or whatever they chose to label it. I always enjoyed building the kit. Now, it's hard to find something I can build. Of course, I don't see it going away anytime soon either. Before you know it.....Wal Mart will have brushless R/Cs with li-po batteries.....or, at least, these so-called "knock offs" will! It all comes down to us....the consumer to decide what we want. And it's up to us, the REAL R/C guys and gals to educate others of the differences.

Personally, to this day, whenever someone I talk to ask me what to buy for their kid(or themselves)....I send them to the Tamiya Kit section....about the only place I know of that still offers the entry-level person with a kit of the "real" R/C. Maybe it's more expensive than "RTRs" or "knock offs".....but they are perfect for beginners and, I find, when you get a beginner "in" with one of those, they tend to STAY for a long time. Of course, some leave....but MORE leave when they get a "RTR".....even if it's a Stampede or Rustler(ones we consider "real" R/C). I know this because every year I buy an R/C and give it to someone less fortunate. For the last few years, I've bought used "RTRs"(usually Pedes...cause they are plentiful) and disassembled them.....cleaned them up(this is the part of the hobby I enjoy as well as driving/flying)......then I ask the parents if it's ok to offer it to the kid(s). The trade off is that they have to come over to my shop and re-BUILD it from parts to make it operational. Every one of those kids learn something, have FUN, and are still running those vehicles around. I remember giving 2 pedes away that I, personally, rebuilt....and I have heard from one kid.....and the other was nice enough to give his back for me to pass on to someone else.

I've thought about giving those "knock offs" to kids.....but they won't "stay" in the hobby....besides, the parents can give them a Wal Mart R/C for less than $50 dollars....something that even poor families will buy for their kids for XMas. No....I want them to experience the "real" R/C.....this is a choice that I've made. I know that someday, those kids will thank me for it(some already have).

So....no matter what we buy, it's most likely manufactured overseas.....I have nothing against that(my wife is filipina)......Tamiya has a factory there(in the Philippines). In fact, just about everything comes from overseas anymore.....and WE have all made that happen.....one way or another. Unless we make better buying decisions and educate the newbies and veterans alike.....there will always be "knock offs" around.....regardless of where they come from.

Just my thoughts...

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revi... - 12/20/2006 10:45:54 PM   
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yeah, you got a good point, even if its made in china or whatever, the name brands still try to enforce a quality standard , whereas these knock offs are a totally different breed, just taking the product of the research and development that has occured for the real rc's , research and development that took place with the money we spent on our name brand cars, and putting it together in order to survive in a market that we rarely (well we rarely want to anyway) see,that is the cheap consumer driven businesses going on in overseas countries

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revi... - 12/21/2006 4:43:09 PM   
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Speakin of knock-offs, here's the latest Bonzer truck. Looks better than the old ones. I guess the cheap knock-off places learn too!

hxxp://www.storacingproducts.com/cgi-bin/trolleyed_public.cgi?action=showprod_SO21763

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revi... - 12/22/2006 5:07:08 AM   
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The only changes I can spot are the new wheels, the decals on the body and the shocks. Everything else looks exactly the same.

Since I change the shocks for Tamiya Low Friction parts, and put better wheels on in anycase... I honestly can not see anything better about the new version?

My favorite mods for the Bonzer are:

1. Replace all the plastic bearings with metal roller bearings.
2. Tamiya 302 ESC
3. Tamiya TZ Motor
4. Tamiya 17T Pinion
5. Tamiya Low Friction Dampers
6. 3000 mA Battery

If you do all of that you end up with an fairly capable little truck that is good for about 60+Kph (+ - 40Mph), Handles ok, Jumps pretty well and is nice and cheap to maintain. The problem is...... It is still a cheap car and will never be able to run or compete with a decent Name branded car. Then again.... If they can survive the African bush... they cannot be all that bad!!

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revi... - 12/23/2006 1:37:05 PM   
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My house mate recently bought a heng long 'mad truck'. I would not recommend this 'monster truck' to anyone who intends to use it for anything other than looking at. The performance is quite good in terms of speed and handling however it has broken several times in its short life span(2 or 3 hrs). It has not been abused, merely used in a manner expectant of an off road 4x4. The rims were the first thing to break, after maybe 20-30 mins use(no big jumps). The front rhs drive hub broke and the wheel fell off 10 mins into using the new rims. A new hub was sourced from a compatible vehicle only for the steering servo to fault after a further 30 mins driving. It also broke a tie rod this afternoon after a new drive gear was fitted; this drive gear will fail prematurely on all of these trucks due to the aluminium chassis plate only giving the plastic drive gear maybe 1mm clearance. This means that unless you clean the vehicle every 3 minutes(unless u drive it on carpet) the dirt that accumulates on the chassis plate is picked up by the plastic drive gear and compressed by the motor gear untill it destroys the plastic gear due to binding. It is for this fundamental flaw i would not recommend it, as most other failures were generally expected. The lack of clearance for the plastic drive gear will only be fixed by either shimming the entire drive train higher, away from the chassis plate. Or by modifying the alloy chassis plate. I and several other friends were going to purchase this model, however now I am looking at a 2wd stadium truck, the Duratrax Evader. Which gets excellent reviews.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revi... - 12/24/2006 12:09:28 AM   
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A new hub was sourced from a compatible vehicle


which 'compatible vehicle' are you talking about?

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revie... - 12/24/2006 11:08:24 AM   
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I have a Himoto Rapida Pro and a HPI RS4 3 18SS. Frankly for what you pay, the Chinese cars are a damn good value. The plastics are softer on the Himoto, but if you ask me if you're looking for a car to learn on and to bash a bit. The Himoto Rapida with the Team Infinity engine is the way to go. Get yourself some threadlock and go buy extra screws bolt on your shocks etc. Lots of fun, fast cars too replace the clutch bell, and I don't think there's really anything to complain about. Even the radio on mine is fine for me (I mess around in the parking lot) The Himoto Rapida will work with a lot of parts. In fact I will be posting a list of all the compatible parts regarding the Himoto Rapida, and I may actually build a Himito/HPI **** hybrid

I too have to praise those importing from the Chinese, for me they're great for bashing helping me learn a lot. Maybe fun to just have an extra car.

I truly believe in supporting the domestic companies. We should demand quality and innovation and support it with our dollars.

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RE: The Chinese Knockoffs: Post info, opinions, revi... - 12/29/2006 9:34:47 PM   
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Sorry mate im not sure. I wasnt the one who went to the hobby shop to acquire a new drive hub. The replacement given was not supplied with a part number. I'll find out next time we break one. The car has since had several other signifigant failures. The details of which i can provide if anyone cares.

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