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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, ki... - 7/19/2008 3:03:17 PM   
cchariandy


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for the measurements all....looks like going to Bolly gear only saves 0.5oz at best. I don't think it's worth it for the glow poweres airplanes.

And about the snaps...mine also were not great when I had my CG at 185mm from the LE. I started taking weight off the tail and the snaps and spin entries improved considerably.

Colin.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, ki... - 7/19/2008 6:36:51 PM   
CHV69


 

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Status: offline 		I have been flying mine at 165 since day one.

I always thought anything over 175 back was way too tail heavy.

Carl

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, ki... - 7/19/2008 8:39:21 PM   
67685


 

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Personally, i had the same problem with the snap`s , thinking about the P-09 program ( 1 1/4 snap down and 1 snap 45deg down )

This is what i did that changed everything to a crispy nice snap which i am happy about :

* As you already have done ; increase the aileron a quite amount

* Reduce the elevator to keep the track, specially in the 1 1/4 snap . Though, Keep just enough elevator to stall the entry.

* Increase the rudder, or at least keep the normal mode deflection. Yes, i was suprised about the rudder. "Normally", i have used less rudder, but this one is different ... without proper rudder deflection, it was impossible to manage anything near a snap ...

Just my personal setup.

Kjell Olav


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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, ki... - 7/20/2008 4:46:14 PM   
RC Technics


 

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Status: offline 		I have worked out my snap problem I was using to little rudder. The integral uses a lot more rudder than I am use to on other airframes.

I am currently using the following throws in the snap condition:

Ail 19 degrees (max)
Ele 15 degrees
Rud 45 degrees

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 7/28/2008 1:18:44 PM   
Opvaulet


 

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Status: offline 		Yes I replaced the wire rod with a 2mm carbon rod. I am also using the A60 20S on the Integral. Both work's great.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 7/28/2008 1:30:58 PM   
Jeff Boyd 2



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ORIGINAL: Opvaulet

Yes I replaced the wire rod with a 2mm carbon rod. I am also using the A60 20S on the Integral. Both work's great.


What method did you use to hold the carbon rod . . (I am thinking maybe clear tape) ?

JB

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 7/28/2008 1:54:17 PM   
Opvaulet


 

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 7/28/2008 2:01:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Managed to do a number on my Integral wiping out the right wing and cowl. Local cost of new replacement parts locally is USD$550+ so I'm wondering if anyone has these parts available that they are looking to sell?

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 8/5/2008 6:06:57 PM   
cchariandy


 

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It seems like my inverted spins are so deep that the plane continues to rotate another 1/2 turn after I release the control inputs. I have used Jasons set-up and still find that I have just enough down elevator to show a visible break before the stall.

Any ideas on how to improve the spin recovery?

Jason does say that he uses one rate for the spin entry and a lower rate for the actual spin. Anybody know how he executes that....initiate the spin and switch the rates at some point?

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks
Colin.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 8/5/2008 6:13:31 PM   
f3a05


 

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Any ideas on how to improve the spin recovery?

Move the C of G forward?

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 8/5/2008 6:50:46 PM   
flyboy91


 

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Status: offline 		Colin,

What Jason does it once he sees the nose break he than switches to the lower elevator setting. I know you could do this on the 14mz as well if you have the elevator get cut down when the rudder is applied.
I actually just fly through the spin using less elevator. With the integral, the more rudder you use in the spin the more it will want to stay stalled.

Andrew Jesky

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 8/5/2008 9:35:32 PM   
JAS



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Status: offline 		What Andrew said. Once the nose starts to fall, *click* to low rate elevator (still low rudder and high aileron) and do the spin. It takes some work, but when you've got it, it looks great.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 8/6/2008 4:55:01 AM   
Brenner


 

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Status: offline 		I just checked out my JR 12X, and it looks like I can do the same thing with this radio as well. The 12X lets you change flight modes as a function of any stick position, so I'm just going to have it change the elevator back to low rate when I move the rudder stick past the 95% position.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 8/6/2008 3:59:12 PM   
cchariandy


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks, I'll give it a shot.

Colin.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 8/7/2008 4:59:20 AM   
Brenner


 

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Status: offline 		Yeah, you can actually define up to five different rates. The first three are assignable to the flight modes switch. The fourth rate is mapped to the middle flight mode switch position, and the fifth rate is mapped to the top flight mode switch position. There is no additional rate mapped to the bottom flight mode position, other than the rate that's already assigned to it.

When the flight mode switch is in the middle position the rudder stick position switches the rates between the second rate and the fourth rate. When the flight mode switch is in the top position the rudder stick switches between the third rate and the fifth rate, and when the flight mode switch is in the bottom position the rudder stick position has no effect.

So, it's possible to have two complete flight modes that are switched on by the rudder stick position. I'm thinking that I'll have one for snaps, and one for spins.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, k... - 8/7/2008 4:33:00 PM   
cchariandy


 

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