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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 1:21 AM

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OK, fill me in here.
The extreme warmth of the Nordic winter is obviously effecting my brain.

We've flown the model with a YS 1.40.
We then competed with a YS 1.60....
What happend to the OS 200 we started with?

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 1:37 AM

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I think Jason had an issue with the 200 he was flying, on the initial run, something happened. Then he only had a 1.40FZ to put in it, so he did that, then managed to come up with a 1.60DZ that he flew at the contest. I'm sure he's got another 200 on the way though. I think that covers what I've read about it.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 2:32 AM

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Man Arch... you for hire? I need a publicist...lol.

Having never mounted up these cool short Hatori set-ups, I pushed the pipe right up on the header. Well, under the heat of the motor the pipe grew into and over the header flange. Needless to say, the pipe is ruined. Then I assumed that the Hatori short pipe for the YS would work... oops. So I went digging and found my old, old 140FZ. Put it in with the new short Hatori set-up, left room for expansion, and it flew well enough to trim it out and get in some practice. Then I "found" a 160DZ and bolted it in for the contest. My new OS-200 should be here in a week or so, and then I'll be able to compare the plane on 3 power systems.

140FZ/APC15x12/30% Heli- Able to fly P and F fine, but probably not enough to fly in heavy winds
160DZ/APC16.5x12/30%Heli- Nats wind... no problems
OS-200/APC17x13/20-20 (one flight I had)- Bring on the Hurricane's, I'm ready

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 3:00 AM

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"I "found" a 160DZ "

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 4:24 AM

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Yea, you know, there was this motor in a bag...lol...

Don't worry, it'll run fine when I give it back.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 4:27 AM

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Jason sure it wasn't the Channel locks and the Hammer on page one that done the OS in LOL, sorry about your luck you'll get it I know.

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Man Arch... you for hire? I need a publicist...lol.

Having never mounted up these cool short Hatori set-ups, I pushed the pipe right up on the header. Well, under the heat of the motor the pipe grew into and over the header flange. Needless to say, the pipe is ruined. Then I assumed that the Hatori short pipe for the YS would work... oops. So I went digging and found my old, old 140FZ. Put it in with the new short Hatori set-up, left room for expansion, and it flew well enough to trim it out and get in some practice. Then I "found" a 160DZ and bolted it in for the contest. My new OS-200 should be here in a week or so, and then I'll be able to compare the plane on 3 power systems.

140FZ/APC15x12/30% Heli- Able to fly P and F fine, but probably not enough to fly in heavy winds
160DZ/APC16.5x12/30%Heli- Nats wind... no problems
OS-200/APC17x13/20-20 (one flight I had)- Bring on the Hurricane's, I'm ready

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 8:46 PM

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Anyone happen to check the link under my name in a while...

Please make sure to save it to your computer instead of playing it from the site. Thanks.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 8:55 PM

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Jason,
Tried to save it, then play it, but when I right clicked, it just wanted to save an html file, not the video. Played from the site with no problem.

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Anyone happen to check the link under my name in a while...

Please make sure to save it to your computer instead of playing it from the site. Thanks.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 9:00 PM

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ok, well hopefully it doesn't crash the site...lol.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/12/2006 9:59 PM

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http://www.bestchineseteacher.com/Integral%20F-07.wmv

Right click and choose "Save target as..."

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/20/2006 8:44 AM

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Hi Jason,

What's the verdict with the Integral? How does it compare to the IMPACT

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/20/2006 11:41 PM

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In what respects? It's much easier to fly F than the Impact. Will it out fly the Impact in Sportsman... eh. Anything specific you're looking for? Going flying tomorrow for final trimming.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/21/2006 11:10 AM

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Hi Jason.

The key things I am interested to hear are:

1) How well does it lock onto a line.
2) How does it sit in the wind.
3) How well does it draw circles.
4) How well does it snap.
5) How does it compare flying P schedules (F3A)

I currently fly an IMPACT which I am happy with but it could be better in a few areas. I think a lot of it comes down to setup but I believe some characteristics could be improved
I have never been impressed with the way the IMPACT rolls compared to my previous model (Alliance). The IMPACT does not draw nice round circles whereas some models I have flown carve nice round shapes with very little work by the pilot. The rolling characteristics of the IMPACT seem to vary as the speed changes. I never could put my finger on it but I have my views on this. One thing is for sure I will never use side mounted servos in a wing where they sit well below the skin. It is impossible to get the geometry correct therefore causing all types of strange rolling behavior at differnet amounts of throw.

I realise that you have had a tremendous amount of sucess with the IMPACT but you are no average pilot. I am not bagging the model and I think it does fly quite well and is a definte improvement overall from my previous model. I am just looking for something better.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/21/2006 5:28 PM

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Hi Peter,

Here's what I've noticed so far:

1) How well does it lock onto a line. Very well. Even in the turbulent wind at my field it feels locked on.
2) How does it sit in the wind. See above...
3) How well does it draw circles. Not sure what you mean by circles, but if that's rolling circles... it's easy.
4) How well does it snap. Seen the video of CPLR flying... can duplicate that. Working on the American approved snap version now.
5) How does it compare flying P schedules (F3A) Didn't have much trouble with the Impact, but the 8 is easier with the Integral.

Rolling. I don't know if I'm just completely oblivious to a rolling problem or my Impact doesn't do it. Everyone has my set-ups and I haven't changed them since the Worlds. I don't notice any issues with the Integral during any rolls, but I didn't on the Impact, so I can't answer this one right. Maybe after the first ones are flying, others can weigh in on this.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/24/2006 4:23 PM

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What is the difference in CPLR snap and a US snap: leading with eleivator or unloading the elevator in the autorotation, or all inputs at the same time?

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/24/2006 6:50 PM

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CPLR does a really really fast roll with a little bit of elevator and rudder thrown in to make it look like a snap

. I don't know about his stick inputs but the plane doesn't lead with a pitch break... I've gone slow-mo on that video and analyzed it dozens of times. It doesn't matter though, I guess you can do that the next time you're world champion 8 years running or whatever it is.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/24/2006 9:43 PM

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CPLR does a really really fast roll with a little bit of elevator and rudder thrown in to make it look like a snap . I don't know about his stick inputs but the plane doesn't lead with a pitch break... I've gone slow-mo on that video and analyzed it dozens of times. It doesn't matter though, I guess you can do that the next time you're world champion 8 years running or whatever it is.

Ohhh here we go again.
Will the Americans please invite the Frenchy across and teach him how to do a snap... show him what he's doing wrong... get the boy on the right track.
Jez...
Give us a break.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/24/2006 10:27 PM

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Sorry, don't want to start one of those dreaded snap discussions. Just poking.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/24/2006 10:28 PM

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CPLR does a really really fast roll with a little bit of elevator and rudder thrown in to make it look like a snap . I don't know about his stick inputs but the plane doesn't lead with a pitch break... I've gone slow-mo on that video and analyzed it dozens of times. It doesn't matter though, I guess you can do that the next time you're world champion 8 years running or whatever it is.

Ohhh here we go again.
Will the Americans please invite the Frenchy across and teach him how to do a snap... show him what he's doing wrong... get the boy on the right track.
Jez...
Give us a break.

One break given. Merry Christmas.

Next time, it's a zero

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/24/2006 10:29 PM

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Good point Brett.....

So we'll start a new thread!

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/25/2006 1:27 AM

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Good point Brett.....

So we'll start a new thread!

-M

Oh- Let me throw in the Australian version to make it a little more interesting!

Who's judging?

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/25/2006 1:57 AM

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Hey Bla Bla do you even own a plane or are one of those "Geeks" who just go into threads and terrorize people. Dude come up with something constructive just once. Get a life! Mike

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/28/2006 2:27 AM

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Hey Jason,

I am Looking for some additional info on the Integral.

Can you tell us what if any hardware other than the horns that the Integral comes with eg
linkages, clevises, closed loop cables, axles etc ( is any of this included or not )
Is a spinner included, if so carbon or aluminium.

I have seen a few different photos on this thread and ZN lines webside, the configuration looks
slightly different as far as materials inside the fuse is concerned. I know that you mentioned that
you had an early version.

Can you tell us if there is a fuel tank support come radio tray already installed in the fuse. Is it possible
to get some photos of all of the components that need to be installed.

Can you provide some photos of the canopy mounting / attachment that you used.

Also, what type of adhesive did you use to install the horns.

Finally, Have you recieved the replacement OS 200 yet. I would love to hear your thoughts on this motor
when you have had a chance to get some more time on it. I am sure others are interested too. Also, are
you able to give us any idea as to when this motor might be available.

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/28/2006 5:20 AM

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Hi Elmer,

I've answered your questions below.

Can you tell us what if any hardware other than the horns that the Integral comes with eg
linkages, clevises, closed loop cables, axles etc ( is any of this included or not )
Is a spinner included, if so carbon or aluminium.

I am checking on what all is included, but I know there is no spinner. A 3 1/4" is needed.

I have seen a few different photos on this thread and ZN lines webside, the configuration looks
slightly different as far as materials inside the fuse is concerned. I know that you mentioned that
you had an early version.

All planes but mine have a fully carbon nose back to the gear.

Can you tell us if there is a fuel tank support come radio tray already installed in the fuse. Is it possible
to get some photos of all of the components that need to be installed.

If you look on the site, you will see what it will look like. I know the tank tray is included, but not installed (no good for electric guys), and rudder tray is not installed, but included. You can also look on pages here as the parts were made from templates I sent.

Can you provide some photos of the canopy mounting / attachment that you used.

Here ya go. Hooks in the front flat, carbon pins in the mid rear and a 4/40 screw at the front.

Also, what type of adhesive did you use to install the horns.

I used all these somewhere along the line. But 30-min and micro-balloons for the horns.

Finally, Have you recieved the replacement OS 200 yet. I would love to hear your thoughts on this motor
when you have had a chance to get some more time on it. I am sure others are interested too. Also, are
you able to give us any idea as to when this motor might be available.

I'm still waiting. No idea on a time frame, not part of that testing

I will update these answers as I get them. You can also check the website for a few pics of the Integral. It might not be working, or working very slow. Heard an earthquake near Taiwan has damaged the cables over there causing the poor connection.
Jason

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RE: Composite-ARF Integral, kinda build thread - 12/28/2006 6:46 AM

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Hi Jason,

How much electronic mixing did the model require: Rudder-Elevator?

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