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pdm52956 -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/6/2008 12:36:12 PM)

cuda, I can't speak specifically to your problem but I can tell you that I experienced a similar issue with my Estar. I would get about 3 or 4 minutes before it started to surge and quit. I thought it might be the ESC heating up so I made a scoop on the upper nose of the plane to let more airflow into the ESC in hope it would keep it cooler. We also have a guy at the club that looked at it for me and thought it was most likely caused by battery low voltage rather than ESC problems, so I started charging the 3000 Nimh batteries the way he suggested. Since I had already made the scoop, I wasn't sure what resolved the problem but the plane started giving me 10 to 12 minutes with no surge.

A few weeks ago, I was on approach when a stiff cross wind got me and I crashed it. I had to replace the fuselage so there wasn't a scoop on it when I got it back in the air. After the repair, I'm still getting 10 to 12 minutes and it hasn't surged yet. I've come to the conclusion that it wasn't the ESC heating up but the way I was charging the batteries. They weren't getting a full charge so I was hitting the LVC after only 3 or 4 minutes of flight!

You might want to keep track of the charge your putting into those batteries. I was told that after I fly, I should be pumping in about 2500 mah when I charge. I'm pushing about an average of 2700 to 2800 with each full charge. Yes, the ESC feels what I call hot after a flight, but the voice of experience at the field said otherwise.

Since I'm still a youngin in the sport, I just go with what the 'elder' spokesman says and thought I would pass it along. Hope it is of some help. Good luck.

Paul




1Crash test dummy -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/6/2008 3:01:09 PM)

Yes the surging is the battery. I will go away after you run them a while.
Their is aways the chance the batteries are deffective also.
Make sure to top off the battery just before you fly not the night before.




HEMICUDA -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/7/2008 5:03:52 AM)

pdm52956,

When I take the batts off the charger I check voltage with multimeter...usaully 9.94 V or better
I know that's not under load but it gives me an idea where I'm at. How do I check how many
mah's I'm charging? How did the "elder statesman" tell you to charge? Most of the guys at
my field are into the glow/gas.

1crashtestdummy,

I did learn not to charge the night before, I only charge before I leave for the field.

Thanks to all who input
HEMICUDA




pdm52956 -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/7/2008 11:31:47 AM)

Cuda, at the risk of having everyone jump down my throat and tell me not to charge my batteries this way, I'll tell you what I was told. The guy that explained this to me is LA Johnston. There are a lot of people that may know him since he's been around this sport longer than I've been alive! He pretty much flys electric exclusively. By the way, I don't look so much at the voltage, but rather pay more attention to the mah. I can see the peak charge in volts on my charger, but I do worry about false peaks. I've come to realize that the charge in mah seems to be the best indicator.

Anyway, I was charging my batteries at 1C or less. Again I'm using the 8.4 3000 mah Nimh batteries. We checked the load on the ESC and even at full throttle, the draw was less than 30 amps. The ESC is rated for 45 continuous. Anyway, he asked me how I charged the batteries. When I told him I was charging at 1C, he kind of chuckled and said to take it up to 2C if my charger would. He also told me to go ahead and charge the night before, but if I did that I needed to top off before I left for the field. In simple terms, he said that the battery was like a muscle and it needed to be flexed.

In order to check the charge condition of the batteries, I take the amount of time they were charged, divide it by 60 and multiply it by the charge rate. For example, if I charge the battery for 24 minutes at 6 amps (2C), I'll take the 24 minutes and divide it by 60 and then multiply that amount by 6 amps. Comes out to 2400 mah. Since the battery is a 3000 mah capacity, I know I should have a pretty full charge now. At 1C I kept finding myself with a total of about 1800 - 2000 mah charge. Big difference! In short, I wasn't getting a full charge.

Well, that's my story and I'm stickin to it. I've opened the door for everyone to say that I'm ruining my batteries, but there are a number of people at my field that have discussed this and after seeing what it did for my situation, have pretty much changed their minds. Everyone was sceptical, but in turn also said that if LA said it.........do it.

Please be aware that I'm not telling you that this is the way you should charge. I'm new to this and don't want anyone to decide this is what's best for them based on my example. That's something that you might want to get further advise on before hand from those that know more than I. It wouldn't be hard to find those people trust me! I decided to take the chance and it's worked out very well in my case. I've long ago lost count of how many flights I've put on my Estar and haven't had a glitch with my batteries yet.

Hope I've helped some. Paul




HEMICUDA -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/8/2008 6:59:53 AM)

pdm52956,

Thanks for the info, always useful. I use the recommended charger that came with the
batts from towerhobbies, the Hobbico dual peak charger. It starts out at 1.8amp for a
couple of minutes then goes to 4 amps until it peaks charges than it automatically goes
into trickle mode to top them off(I don't remember the trickle rate , it's below an amp)
It goes: red light on; orange light charging; green light done...that's it. Usually 45-60 min.

I know I need to upgrade to a better charger especially for lipo's as mine is ni-cad/ni-mh
only. As usual, it's on my ever growing wish list![:D]

HEMICUDA




drummrboy -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/6/2008 10:13:30 PM)

STILL HAVING TROUBLE GETTING A FULL CHARGE INTO MY BATTERIES AND STILL NOT SURE WHICH CHARGER TO BUY AND WHICH ROUTE TO GO WITH A BATTERY UPGRADE. ALL THE PLANES I'M INTERESTED IN SEEM TO USE 3S LIPOS. ANYWAY, TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT, I GOT SO ##@%$$&^*'D OFF WITH NOT HAVING ENOUGH POWER TO TAKE OFF ON GRASS THAT I DECIDED TO TRY HAND LAUNCHING IT.

YES, YOU CAN HAND LAUNCH AN ELECTRISTAR !!!

NOT ONLY DID IT SUCCESSFULLY HAND LAUNCH, BUT IT FLEW QUITE NICELY FOR AT LEAST 10 MINUTES OF LOOPS, ROLLS, SLOPPY IMMELLMAN'S ETC; GO FIGURE.




boiko -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/7/2008 3:17:24 PM)

I'm thinking about switching over from my (2) stock NiMH 3000mAh batteries to (2) Lipo 7.4v 20C 3200mAh batteries on my Electristar.

How much flight time should I expect from this switch..?

Thanks,
-mike-




boiko -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/7/2008 3:18:49 PM)

Could I simply unplug my (2) stock NiMH 3000mah batteries and plug (2) of these in?

http://www.maxamps.com/Lipo-3100HV-74-Pack.htm

-mike-




tubamike78 -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/7/2008 6:27:44 PM)

those packs should work just fine. the esc uses a 70% cut-off so you will want to make sure the lipo's are always fully charged when you put them in or else they can go below the 3 volts/cell. when using the lipo's, you will want to have both of them in the front compartment, what i do is i rubber band them together, with the one about 3 inches past the other so the one battery will fit into the battery tray and slide all the way in, that way you will not have to do any modification to it. another thing you'd might consider doing to get more power is change prop to apc 12/6. gives more thrust then the stock 11/7 and pulls around an amp less so you will get a bit longer run times also.




tkollen -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/8/2008 1:37:11 AM)

I read somewhere on this thread that the Electristar C-42 motor is actually a Rimfire 42-50-600. I have been flying both motors in my Estar and Avistar. I can confirm that these motors are not the same. The C-42 is much more powerful on 4 Lipos whereas the Rimfire barely gets the plane above stall speed. At full throttle and 0 mph speed the C-42 pulls 34 amp wheras the Rimfire pulls 24 amp.

Tom




HEMICUDA -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/8/2008 6:13:29 AM)

Well, my Electristar is temporarily grounded... my Hobbico dual peak charger crapped the bed! [:@]
Only used it 6 times! Called Hobbico, no 1 800 #, and they told me to send it to them. I did take it a
apart before and there was a fixed fuse on the circuit board. How stupid is that? Just put a removable
fuse in and I wouldn't have to send it out! I don't know how it crapped out ... put 2 batts on charge,
came back an hours later and checked the batts voltage and it was the same as before. Tried again
and noticed no lights or fan came on while charging. Any body else have this problem?[:o]




HEMICUDA -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/13/2008 6:04:58 AM)

Well, Hobbico sent me a new charger, so I'm back in business. Can't wait til I step up to lipo's and a balance charger!




Planeidiot -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/15/2008 10:25:59 PM)

Greg, RCU Forums are a great source of information!!! You and the other members have helped ME a great deal learning RC stuff, hence my log-on as "Planeidiot" [&o]
Now for more info I could not find. While overseas, I asked my wife to get me a few "ElectriFly 7.4v @3200mAh batteries for my new Hobbico Electristar EP ATF 63 as I had left them plugged just before leaving. I have to move fast sometimes, ya no? [:D]
Well she thought, that at pert-near $80.00 bucks a wop, she would get me one, I repeat ONE 11.1v @ 3200 LiPo.[>:]

Question: Will I burn-up my ECS/Motor @ that high of voltage? I could jumper the other plug and save weight, but I worried about the voltage.

Thanks in advance to all responses.
Planeidiot.




nk1851 -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/15/2008 10:45:46 PM)

The directions call for 2 each 7.4V 3200 mAh NIMH batteries. They are wired in series, which makes the ESC see 14.8V. Many people I know are using one 14.8V (4 cell) LIPO, by jumpering one of the 2 Deans connectors.
However, a 3 cell (11.1V) battery will probably not accomplish what you want.
Hope this helps.





nk1851 -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/16/2008 1:25:51 PM)

Actually, the 7.4V batteries are NICAD.




Planeidiot -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/16/2008 1:44:17 PM)

Thank you, I kinda figured that, but wanted confermation. I'll wait to get two more 7.4 LiPo's.




nk1851 -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/16/2008 2:46:08 PM)

I'm running one 5000mAh LIPO (4S) and get over 20 minutes flight time. Hobby city has them for ~$75.




Planeidiot -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/16/2008 4:22:07 PM)

WOW!!! I'll give-em a try, Thanks. BTW, my 7.4's were LiPo's not NICAD. I got the aircraft from Hobby Town here in Charleston, SC. Maybe they offered a diff package. AnyWho I burned em and now will try you're idea.

Thank you for the infomation!

Happy landings




raulcroes -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/17/2008 3:32:47 PM)

Gentlemen,

Have any of you guys tried the Electristar with the LiFePo (A123) batteries??? I would really like to know this and how it panned out, since I'm hessitant to use lipo's.
I thank you in advance.

regards,

Raul G. Croes[8D]




nk1851 -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/17/2008 3:52:30 PM)

No experience with LiFePo.
Horror stories regarding Lipo are blown out of proportion. Like anything else, you have to pay attention to the correct charging procedures.




raulcroes -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/17/2008 4:23:05 PM)

Hi nk1851,

Yes, I've heard the same thing. I have been told that as long I use a good charger and balancer I should be ok. What makes me think alot about the LiFePo is thier inherent safety and the fact that they can be recharged in a very short time, are less sensitive to over / under charging and temperature and can be cycled 1000+ times as compared to lipos 100+. Does anyone know if there is a thread about the LiFePo (A123) batteries and thier application in model airplane use? Thanks in advance.

regards,

Raul[8D]




dbc -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/21/2008 9:46:50 PM)

I now have 160 flights on my E-Star. All but the first 10 on 4S lipo's. I've gotten four from Hobby City 4000-5000 mah and 15 to 25C rating. They all work fine and cost $65 to $82 each. The one pound weight reduction from the NMhi batteries really improves the plane. It's still one of my favorites and oftentimes I'll choose it over something faster and/or more expensive. Relaxing, predictable, stable and just fun to fly.




1Crash test dummy -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/22/2008 12:55:49 AM)

Been using 5s A123 in my e-star for 6mos now no problems 15 min of flight time easy. Charge in 12 to 15 mins.




boiko -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/26/2008 7:05:21 AM)

I just purchased a new 12x6e APC prop to replace the stock prop. When I removed the stock prop and tried to mount the new 12x6e...I noticed that the center hub diameter seems to be greater then the center hole diameter of the prop. ie the APC 12x6e prop would not fit on the stock hub??

Has anyone else seen this when switching to this prop....

Thanks,
-mike-




tubamike78 -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (9/26/2008 11:47:00 AM)

yes, use the smallest center ring that comes with the prop, the back of the prop will fit onto shaft, you will need a prop reamer to open up the front of the prop a bit to get it on.

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXG940&P=ML




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