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Sir Raleigh -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (7/11/2007 6:58 PM)

If you want to make a shim and not add any weight, use a meat tray from your grocery store. The various size trays will result in various thicknesses, so, get a number of different sizes.




salt_lake_buzz -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/3/2007 3:44 PM)

Can any of you Electristar pilots measure the fire wall and describe any tabs, reinforcements etc for me? Degrees of out thrust and down thrust would be helpful as well. We crashed ours and pulled the parts off it. The firewall/bulkhead was tossed. There was other fuselage damage, so we ordered a new one. Unfortunately, the thing as been backordered for 2 months and the Tower site just backed it off another month. I'm sure if we get some measurements we can just cut a new one and repair/reinforce the other damaged areas. Would really like to get this thing back together before we run out of summer. I emailed tower and asked if there were any plans available for purchase so I could reproduce what I needed, but they were less than helpful and claimed they had no plans or dimensions. Replacement parts are probably the main revenue line on this model, and I have no problem with paying for the parts. But doesn't do me any good if they aren't available.

thanks for any help you can give.




spacestout -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/4/2007 8:39 AM)

I have two electristars, one flying and another, stripped of HW, that someone gave me. I'm guessing I may live near you given your nickname so you could measure my planes. Contact me at spacestout@hotmail.com




salt_lake_buzz -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/11/2007 3:54 AM)

Met up with spacestout and got the needed measurements. Appreciate the help Paul. Will probably be back in the air next weekend!




itchycods -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/11/2007 1:37 PM)

It's great to see fellow RC'ers helping each other like that. Spacestout is a gentleman and a scholar. Regards all!




spacestout -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/12/2007 9:24 PM)

Thanks itchycods and salt lake buzz. Most everything I know about R/C came from the many people who mentored me. Many people have mentored me without even knowing it via their postings and articles.

I tried to go it alone, crashing my first plane (RTF Cessna 182) at a local school. I started going to the model port and got all the mentoring I asked for. Had I been more patient I would have gotten instruction with a trainer cord. I spent a lot of time on the flight simulator. I'd stand behind pilots with my radio and move the sticks as if I was flying their plane. As I'd build a plane, I'd get one of the pros at the model port to maiden it. They'd get it trimmed, get it high, hand me the controls, and then I'd give it back to them to land. I started with some twitchy models which the pros had trouble with (one crashed my Cessna 182 on its maiden). The best thing I ever did was to buy the Electristar. A couple of assisted flights, and then I did it on my own.

It's great to belong to a community where people help each other. The social part is as good as the flying.





micron929rr -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (8/21/2007 3:24 PM)

I have a Hobbico NexSTAR and really like it. Once you are comfortable flying, remove all the sensors, foil brakes from wings and the plane flies like your 2nd plane would all for the price in one!

However, I have been looking into the electric market and seriously considering this Electrastar...How would you guys rate this compared to the NexSTAR on power, performance, etc.?




AceOfHearts -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (10/21/2007 3:22 PM)

Hi there,

I wonder if anyone here can help. After a minor incident where the nose hit the ground, my motor is pointing about 4-5 degrees to the right (just approximating). Its a very flight angle, but can be noticed what looking down the longitudunal axis from the fin down to the nose. I tried to correct it to no avail.

How will this affect the flight of my electristar? I am worried it would yaw too much to the right with a bank resulting in perhaps a difficult to control aircraft, or may be even uncontrollable. I am new to this RC flying, so I need all the advise.

The model hit the ground after the battery cut short at 5-6 minutes. I tested it on the ground, and the battery indeed depletes this quick. Is there any reason to why this is happening? Everyone seems to say it lasts around 10 minutes.

Finally, after the incident, when I run the motor it makes a REALLY loud sound, much like an engine driven prop. The original pleasent whining sound of the Electristar is gone, my props are balanced, i cant seem to find why it sounds so loud, I also think it is vibrating much more than usual.

That's three issues there. 1) motor angle 2) low batery life 3) loud prop sound

Any help is much appreciated.

Kind Regards.




itchycods -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (10/21/2007 3:34 PM)

There is some right thrust built in to the firewall of the plane to compensate for motor torque, but usually it's only 2-3 degrees. Noticeable if you're looking for it. Sounds like you might have crunched the firewall a bit. Look closely and see if you can tell if the wood is damaged. As for battery life, hard to say w/o more info. What batteries are you running? And, how are you managing the throttle? As far as the motor sound, it seems like you might have damaged the shaft of the motor and the magnets are hitting the core where the windings are. Figure out how to take it apart and find the witness marks where it's rubbing. I would definitely not run it any more till you get it fixed. Probably need to replace the shaft. Good luck Ace!

Micron, I don't have any experience with the Nexstar, so can't help you there. I can vouch that the Electristar is a great flying plane for a newb [:D]

BTW, just got a notice from Tower Hobbies that the fuses are back in stock finally...




spacestout -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (10/22/2007 6:22 AM)

Mr. Itchycods is right. I measured my Electristar engine thrust angle to the fuselage longitudinal or roll axis and found it to be 3 degrees. The firewall is actually built with the angle and the motor mounts flat. If you can examine the structure, you may be able to see where things used to be (did they slide, did the wood compress any).

Say you did increase the thrust angle on impact. In theory, assuming the structure is still rigid, you could still fly it by trimming it out or by holding control input to null out undesired direction. Its like flying a model for the first time. You set all your control surfaces to neutral and then take off and climb. Then you let the controls go to neutral and often you find that the plane wants to depart (sometimes rapidly) from straight and level. To compensate, you add trim until it flys straight and level. It is possible to have planes that are unflyable because your control surfaces can't generate enough force to correct for an out-of-balance or out of trim plane. Say you yaw drastically to the right by a radical thrust angle. You add full left rudder but still can't null it all. Not likely at 4-5 degrees, but you get my point. You still may be able to fly it but you'll have to trim to compensate.

How long your bird will fly is dependent on many things. Assuming everthing is working correctly (no shorts in motors, speed controls, batteries, etc) it comes down to how much energy you have stored in your batteries and the rate at which you draw it out. If you fly full throttle the whole flight you will drain it faster (plus risk overheating components). It is typical to use full throttle on takeoff and climb to a safe altitude, then back off to roughly 1/2, and back to full when the manuever requires it.

You need to know how long your plane will fly before taking it up. On the ground, manage the throttle as in flight and see how long to cutoff (you should cut off at 3V per cell ((talking LiPo)), or even 3.3 volts per cell. The motor will be dead, but your control surfaces will work to glide in). Then, take it in the air, staying near to the runway so you could dead stick land if needed, and fly conservatively. If you did 15 min on the ground, land after 10 minutes. There is always the chance you'll need to go around. You don't want to be on your last milliamp and not be able to make it around. All this until you are used to the plane. Time your flights.

I find a watt meter indispensible. It goes in between your battery and ESC. You can check your voltage (always fly with the batteries fully charged. The ESC makes its decisions on cutoff voltage based on initial charge). Advance the throttle. Check current flow. Are 28Amps flowing (what my plane put out new)? Are the watts (volts times amps) within the rating for motor, esc, and batteries? The meter is good in setting up your plane (especially if trying new props or batteries, etc) and in finding trouble while on the ground. Don't forget to have a full charge on the receiver battery.

I fly with two 7.4V 4200maH LiPo batteries. I would get 15 minutes. I changed props and went from drawing 28 amps full throttle to 35 amps. The plane changed from a trainer to more of a sport plane. Vertical climbs, etc. The potential was there to shorten the flight. I pay attention to how much full throttle time. The more, the sooner I land. When I charge my batteries I note how many Ah's they take. If I'm close to 4200, I know I was on the envelope. Towards the end of a flight I start to notice less available power. At that point I know it's wise to fly lower throttle manuevers and stay within a dead-stick landing of the runway.

What batteries are you flying on?

As for the motor, you can turn it by hand (with no battery). A normal motor clunks as permanent magnets approach each other. If you are hearing grinding, take it to your LHS for help.




AceOfHearts -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (10/28/2007 3:18 PM)



Thanks ladies and gents for all your advise.

Yes, I forgot to mention that the firewall is indeed cracked!!! I should have mentioned it in my first post, must have forgotted.

It is a noticeable crack, looks like a slight one. But it is so stiff, I could not push it in place and glue it together.

The battery is standard NiMH 3000mAh, and may be I damaged due to using wierd charging cycle as my 12V battery at home was not giving the green indication on the LED. So a few times I took it to the car battry to top it up fully and get the green indication. I think this may have been an unwise think to have done, but I wanted to be sure that the batteries were full before I took off.

I have a new fuselage now, a lot of work needs to be done to transfer the onboard electronics to the new fuselage.

About the very loud sound/vibration, I checked the DC motor by rotating it and it seemed perfectly smooth. There was no grinding sound or feel to it. So that is still a mystery. I need to be sure where the sound/vibration is comming from, I dont want to expreience it with the new fuselage.

Do I need to buy a new motor? I dont know...could the damage in the motor be so fine that it is unnoticeabl just by rotating it by hand?
Or maybe the cracked fuselage is to be blamed?

I am in the UK and paid a LOT of money to get everything here in the UK from the states, so it wasnt a cheap business for me. As I am new to the field, I had to buy sother items as well. I had three flights on it, but I feel It does not handle as smoothly as I had immagined. Certainly nothing like RealFlight where I had been practicing on.

I once had a Ready2 trainer which got stolen after one flight. That was built from I think PVC plastic? It was hard foam covers with the plastic. It was EXTREMLY strong. After buying the elctristar (good 7 years after the Ready2), and I have been disappointed as the wood is so fragile and damages very easily compared to the Ready2 trainder.

Anyway, moving it onto the new fuselage should get rid of the excessive longitudunal thrust angle problem but the following remains a mystery:
1) Very lound sound instead of the comfortable whining sound of the Elecristar
2) Low battery time 5-6mins.

Lastly, I had one more point. When I bought the electristar, I bought the more powerful NiMh battery. According to all the sources I have read on the internet including Electristar's instruction manual, those were compatible with the Electristar. However, I was very disappointed to find that the battery compartment in the Electristar's hold is not big enough to house these larger battery packs.

Very disappointed indeed as I has spent good money on buying these. If you cant trust the instruction manual, then who can you trust?




AceOfHearts -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (10/28/2007 4:37 PM)



I just did a closer inspection of the motor. I turned it by hand and noticed a small but noticeable rattling sound in the backround. I am sure it is comming from insde the motor. No visual damage.

I could not tell before as it feels smooth to turn, and the rattling sound is fairly descrete. I am immagining with an RPM high enough (when the motor is on) this somewhat rattling sound becomes really great resulting in the loud annoying sound and vibration.

Looks like I have to order another motor...

On a more general note, I have noticed that watching RC airplanes fly seems to give the impression that they are as easy to control as they look, but I realised being at the controls can be different. But I am hoping with experience, flying it will become as relaxing as watching it fly as a bystander.

I have been doing it by self all this time. Once I get the new model up and running (quite some time), I am planning on signing up to the nearest RC club and so the flying is in a safe environment and I do my first few flights on the revamped electristar with a more expreinced pilot.




AceOfHearts -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (10/28/2007 4:38 PM)


Also, perhaps new batteries need to be ordered as well...I am thinking I damaged them.




rick88ss -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (10/28/2007 6:30 PM)

You might have a bent motor shaft.




itchycods -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (10/28/2007 11:00 PM)

Ace, I would highly recommend joining a club, or you can do as I did, and enlist the help of an experienced pilot or two. Their advice and knowledge is invaluable. Sorry to hear that it is so costly for you-don't give up hope [;)] There is a ton if info on the web as you already know, and plenty of helpful people to ask. You might find an equivalent motor out there that could do the job and save you some money, but make sure you know what you are looking for first and buy from a reputable store. Some times the best deals aren't always the cheapest-I know from experience. I still say to try to take the motor apart and see what's broke. Usually it will be obvious, and sometimes easy to fix.




screendoor -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/21/2007 2:02 AM)

I have a question about replacing the vertical stab on an Electristar. I crashed a few months ago and wrecked the fuse. I got the new fuse from Tower Hobbies a few weeks ago. The original plane came with the vertical stab already installed. Only the horizontal stab on the tail needed to be installed. So now I am stripping the original plane of its parts and putting them in the new fuse. But how do I get the vertical stab off the original plane? I haven't really played with it yet, and maybe it will be apparent once I start. But from just a quick look at it, the way to get it done doesn't seem obvious.

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.




itchycods -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/21/2007 4:05 AM)

screendoor, sorry, I haven't had to pull my fuse apart yet, so can't help you there. Good luck.




rick88ss -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/21/2007 4:07 AM)

You can either get a new one from Towerhobbies or very carefully cut away the old fuselage from the vertical fin. The fin goes in about an inch into the fuselage. Cut away slowly and sand off the remaining glue and pieces of wood that are remaining. If you mess up you can always buy a new tail fin set.




rick88ss -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/21/2007 4:15 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: AceOfHearts



I just did a closer inspection of the motor. I turned it by hand and noticed a small but noticeable rattling sound in the backround. I am sure it is comming from insde the motor. No visual damage.

I could not tell before as it feels smooth to turn, and the rattling sound is fairly descrete. I am immagining with an RPM high enough (when the motor is on) this somewhat rattling sound becomes really great resulting in the loud annoying sound and vibration.

Looks like I have to order another motor...




I'm getting mine back together with a new fuselage. I nosed into the ground from about 50 ft after a giant light pole jumped in front of my plane. When I revved up the motor it also made a terrible grinding noise like you're describing. After a closer inspection I realized that the front motor bearing was messed up. I just ordered a new set of front and rear bearings for the motor from Ebay.
The front bearing here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260085763815&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016

Rear bearing here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260164113189&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=016




cwharper -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/22/2007 1:49 AM)

Well, I finally did it. Taking off from a loose dirt runway a wheel caught a ripple and turned it a full right headed toward the woods and brush. I cut power but it was already airborn and so I pulled up elevator to establish a low speed glide hoping to set it down right before it made it to the brush. It glided too well and managed to travel another 30 feet before smacking a small oak tree. This brush was in some planted pines. It only broke the leading edge of the right wing, the rest survived without so much of a scratch. I didn't really loose anything here because I already had an extra right half of a wing left over from a left wing crash it suffered in the beginning. Looking back I probably had enough room and altitude to attempt a turn using the rudder with a little power but I just couldn't think that fast.

Oh and by the way, the C-42 motor and SS45D ESC makes an excellent combination for an electrified SPAD demon. Use an 11x8 prop with 4 lipo cells.




screendoor -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/22/2007 3:08 AM)

Thanks for the advice. I'll start hacking away at the vertical stab on my original fuse and see what happens.

Thanks again.




itchycods -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/22/2007 3:28 AM)

cwharper, sorry for your mishap... never fails that the plane heads for an obstacle instead of open air!!




screendoor -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/22/2007 6:58 PM)

Next (and hopefully last) dumb newbie question re: my efforts to swap everything out of my original Electristar fuselage to a new fuselage. At the end of each of the thin metal rods that connect the servos to the tail pieces, there is a small piece of whiteish plastic. This piece (I'll call it a clip) screws onto the metal rod, and then clips onto the appropriate tail piece, allowing the rod to push and pull the control surface. I have no idea how, but on both of these clips (the one for the vert stab and the one for the horiz stab) the little tiny piece of plastic that goes through the hole on the "receiving" plastic piece mounted on the control surface has broken off. Very weird that this has happened on both clips, and I have no idea how.

Anyway, is there a way to get replacement clips? I searched on Tower Hobbies, and couldn't find anything. I hope I don't have to go back to Hobbico for somethign this minor. We'll, minor in terms of size and cost, but major in the sense that the damn plane won't fly without these . . .

Thanks as always to this very helpful group.




cwharper -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/22/2007 8:15 PM)

Screendoor, The thing you broke is called a clevis and what it attaches to is called a horn or control horn. Search for "clevis" on tower. It won't be listed as a replacement part for any specific plane because they are so common. "Great planes" is probably the most common brand. They make steel and plastic clevises that will fit the plastic horns. There are two sizes one for 2-56 threaded rod and 4-40 threaded rod. If I had to guess which size you need I would guess 2-56.




itchycods -> RE: Hobbico Electristar Select EP Trainer RTF (11/23/2007 3:31 AM)

Screendoor, if you can find metal ones, I would use those instead of the plastic ones (for obvious reasons)




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