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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/1/2012 1:35 PM   
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Terrific model. I hope you rebuild.

(Nice Opel GT too)

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/1/2012 7:54 PM   
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beautiful model, sorry to see it end as it did. Do we know why it crashed?

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/1/2012 8:17 PM   
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It crushed because the canard,I had large travel on canard and stall, the next one i build it more simple.


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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/1/2012 8:32 PM   
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stall and a snap......gotcha. I like the airplanes ou model. Do you have a thing for canards?

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/2/2012 2:49 AM   
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Hey Guys, it's been a while sence I posted in this thread, and I do understand the concept of this thread. After going thru pix sence my last posts , here are a few more.

Be honest, I love the critisizm.(sp?)

I put a few full scales in just for the heck of it.


Nevermind they won't post. try agian later.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/2/2012 2:59 PM   
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Sorry from me ,I only answered
Thunderbolt47 has right.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/2/2012 9:24 PM   
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Here you go!!

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/3/2012 12:19 AM   
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The red and white Taylorcraft appears to be full scale. If not, it's a perfect rendtion; I see no "tells" on it at all.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/3/2012 2:19 AM   
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The red and white Taylorcraft appears to be full scale. If not, it's a perfect rendtion; I see no ''tells'' on it at all.

I agree but is it a citabria?

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/3/2012 2:35 AM   
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That is a Aeronca Champion. I think he said it was a 1946 model.

Anyone have any idea what the red and silver one is?

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/3/2012 2:44 AM   
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Bellanca or Stinson

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/3/2012 3:48 AM   
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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/3/2012 6:58 AM   
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That is a Aeronca Champion. I think he said it was a 1946 model.

Anyone have any idea what the red and silver one is?

It's a Fairchild F-24. Built from 1932 to 1946 with either an inline Fairchild Ranger ( as much as 200hp ) or a Warner Scarab radial of ( as much as 165hp )
...the military version was the UC-61 during WWII.

Check out Wendell Hostetler's plans of it. They build into very beautiful models. ....and aerobatic too.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/3/2012 9:03 AM   
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That is a Aeronca Champion. I think he said it was a 1946 model.

Anyone have any idea what the red and silver one is?

It's a Fairchild F-24. Built from 1932 to 1946 with either an inline Fairchild Ranger ( as much as 200hp ) or a Warner Scarab radial of ( as much as 165hp )
...the military version was the UC-61 during WWII.

Check out Wendell Hostetler's plans of it. They build into very beautiful models. ....and aerobatic too.

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That is correct.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 1:42 AM   
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Come on guys, Do any of my photos cut the (fullscale ) mustard? Except for the last two.

Let me know what you like and don't like about the others. I would love to know so I improve on them.
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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 1:49 AM   
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Thunderbolt, you did something I havent seen done yet, you included2 fullsize along with the model shots. What makes the fullsize so effective and hard to tell from the models is that they filled the whole frame of the pic, giving it some presence. So with that, fill up the frame and position your shot so that you are ........ looking up at a larger subject. Hopefully this makes some sense.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 2:06 AM   
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The shot of the corsair is also full scale owned by Jim Tobul.

I think the model shots are decent. I think the forth shot (in flight) of the A-10 is the most believable.

This look familiar?



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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 2:12 AM   
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Here are the larger pics that Steve posted above. For some reason they are very small on my computer.


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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 2:18 AM   
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The shot of the corsair is also full scale owned by Jim Tobul.

I think the model shots are decent. I think the forth shot (in flight) of the A-10 is the most believable.

This look familiar?



DSC_0806 by dwhart24, on Flickr




Yes, the corsair is also the real deal.

My lens really is my weak link. I though a $500 lens was good. But it only gets you decent shots.

Thanks for the comments.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 7:56 AM   
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That's pretty funny cause I thought the Corsair was the biggest fail of all those shots. Looked the most like a flying model.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 8:02 AM   
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Yep...it appears to be an electric by looking at the prop shaft and spinner hub....I agree with you. Needs a wire from the antenna post to the vertical stabilizer too. I think our leg is being pulled.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 10:37 AM   
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Come on guys, you can't knock a model like that Corsair and then say why you think it doesn't fit the bill. In my view it looks PDG! There are several things I like, in the detail dept., - the rivet detail and something you very rarely see on a Corsair model - the step cut out in the in-board right flap. Minor things - but I like things like that. The only thing I'm not sure about is what looks like a 4 blade prop. Was the Corsair ever fitted with a 4 blade prop?

As for a wire from the aerial to the fin - I'm no Corsair expert but I don't recall seeing a wire. On the earlier versions with an aerial in front of the cockpit, yes.


A real Corsair!

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 11:40 AM   
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Come on guys, Do any of my photos cut the (fullscale ) mustard? Except for the last two.

Let me know what you like and don't like about the others. I would love to know so I improve on them.
Kelly

I'll try to offer some constructive criticism.
First of all, it's not just about the photography ( sorry to say ) but also, it's about having a model built extremely well. For example, the model can't have "model things" showing
like non-scale pushrods, control horns, clevises, screws holding the cowling on, mufflers / engine showing, nylon wing bolts, large gaps in the wing saddle area, wrong number of engine cylinders showing ( that B-25 has too many, B-25s had 14 cylinder Wright-2600s not 18 cylinder P&W 2800s ) and the biggest problem for in-flight shots of prop planes...
a non-scale diameter propeller.
The B-25 looks good at first glance, but right away I see 9 cylinders showing and what appears to be model engine parts showing near the bottom of the cowls. So you took good pics but the builder failed you!
I knew that the Corsair was not a model right away, although, the pilot's posture is a bit unusual in that most pilots "performing" usually lean forward a bit and don't sit back in the seat the way that guy is. Pilot posture in models in one of my pet-peeves. Most builders don't give it any thought as to how a pilot sits while flying.
The A-10 (shots are ok) but the model just looks like a model. The ordinance is way too clean. Absolutly no patina applied. The last one on the runway ( a solid good effort by you ) but the foreground gives it away immediately for me. The foreground is not scale. I explain in another earlier post how to composite a new foreground for a more realistic effect. The formation shot....well the two aircraft are not on the same "exact line of convergence" - heading=different perspectives. Not your fault. Your photography is good, but this thread is meant to be hard. I believe in using any and all means at my disposal to render the images as real as possible. Including using photoshop ( for the fun of it )
Some on here poopoo using any image manipulation.

Next time, if possible, try to get a one-on-one photo session with one of the best models in your area. Take lots of static shots as well. Static shots are a bit easier. Flight shots require the pilot to "fly for the camera"....not always an easy request to comply with.
Another issue with most ( not all ) flight shots is the shallow depth of field created when shooting with a long lens - "wide open" (using a small numbered f.stop - 2.8,3.5,4.5 etc. ) instead, try using f 11,f 16 and just adjust the ASA / ISO / DIN for a higher number like 400,600,800 etc. On a cloudy day you will not notice the extra "grain" or noise. Main thing is that using a smaller apperature will give you a greater depth of field. Remember a smaller apperature equals a larger number. Reciprocity.

Keep trying. The point of this thread is meant to be challenging.
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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 11:56 AM   
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Sometimes realism is in the eye of the beholder. I dislike Corsairs and hate A-10s but don't really know anything technical about them. I certainly couldn't tell you how many cylinders a B-25 is supposed to have or how clean modern military ordinance is supposed to be.

But I can spot a non-scale DrI or EIII (and that's 99% of them) a mile off.

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RE: Best scale photo! - 12/6/2012 12:38 PM   
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Hi Ken,

You make some interesting points, as does Fletch - and I agree with you both. I'm in the same boat as Fletch, I'm not well versed in all types of aircraft. The era I think I know most is WW2. However, I don't know enough about all types - throw a Mosquito in my direction and I can be really sad about the amount of detail I know about this aeroplane - ask Corgi before they brought out their 1/32nd scale model and asked me for comments. I found over 20 items that were wrong with it and that was just looking at photographs of the model. In my view the idea is to create an illusion of the really thing. Using your example, I would prefer to see some sort of dummy radial engine in a B-25 than nothing at all. Also things like clevises etc can always be removed in Photoshop or something similar - I've done it countless times.

As for the photography thing - we could start a whole new thread on this one. Again, I agree with your points but what we must remember is, people like you and me have some pretty good kit, which cost an arm and a leg to buy. I like to think we take the photography bit to several stages higher than the norm. Lets face it if we haven't, what was the point of spending all that cash. We should be able to produce good quality pictures in just about every weather condition (and I usually see most types of weather in a UK weekend! ). Whereas the guy with a start up dslr and a reasonably cheap zoom lens will struggle, that's not say there aren't some pretty good pictures being posted by these guys. I look back at the first pictures I took that were published in my first article and they look bloomin' awful compared to what I send in now. I want to see everyones efforts and if they C&C's on their picture fine I'm only to happy to help. So, I think constructive critism and encouragement is the way to go because I for one love see what models you guys in the States produce and fly. One of these days I will catch the big silver bird and head West and catch up with you guys

There is one other thing you didn't mention - the 'cleaning up' process once you've downloaded the pictures from your camera. I don't know about you Ken, but I use Photoshop CS6, which isn't exactly a cheap editing suite to buy. The cost of CS6, in my view, isn't worth it for most. However, if you're prepared spend mega bucks on your camera kit then CS6 is cheap and it really is bloomin' good!

That's just my 2 pence worth.

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