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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/30/2007 10:48:46 PM   
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Bo, oh ok, hmm this is interesting. Ill have too see if anyone at the field has a saito running a pitts tho off the top of my head its only no muffler or the stock one. tho i do like the idea of not having to cut a messy hole for the stock muffler and only having to cut out 2 small holes for the pitts. Would you be able to link me to the pitts so i can check it out ect. Cheers mate.


Jerrah,

Here's the link for the Keleo Pitts-style exhaust for the Saito 220:

http://www.keleo-creations.com/Single%20Engines/Saito%20220/SAT-220-MAN.htm

Leadtime is about 4-6 weeks, according to Kelvin, when I ordered mine about a month ago...

Bo


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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/30/2007 11:17:31 PM   
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thanks mate, really appreciate the info.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/30/2007 11:25:07 PM   
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They look awesome, and very compact, i think ill be ordering one asap

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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/31/2007 12:18:00 AM   
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Captain Ron,

OK, guess I should admit a couple of things about me and this plane: this P-51 is my first giant scale (only 2.5 years in the hobby) and I've never owned, before now, an engine bigger than a Saito 100! So, while in some areas, I feel comfortable and confident (like adding flaps to my H9 60-size 'Stang), in others, like understanding gear rail requirements in a giant scale plane, it's still virgin territory!

The earlier version H9 1.50 P-51 build thread is filled with references to flimsy landing gear and weak gear rails. While the new version has much more robust stock gear, I have no clue, based upon personal experience, if the gear rails in Version 2 are up to the task; hence, my previous postings in this thread on the subject (no responses).

However, based upon close examination of the stock construction, my common sense (which my wife has yet to discover, or acknowledge), and my paranoia that makes me say "why take the chance," I added reinforcing to all the obvious internal intersection points between the rails, ribs and leading edges, especially on the forward gear rail. Didn't really take that long, and now I'm pretty sure the rails are in for the duration!

Haven't started the Saito, yet. Too damned cold and we're due for our 7th weekend of snow in a row this weekend. Yes, I'll be using an on-board glow system to help stabilize the idle on the inverted engine. Based upon my observation of Saito 180's being started at my airfield, I'll flip the prop backwards while wearing a thick leather glove to start it.

Can't wait to fly her, either, but it'll undoubtedly be a couple more months, minimum, before that happens...

Bo



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RIP N BANK
Took a chance and used my brand new fancy drill press and drilled the back plate myself. Seems to have come out good, no slop, back plate fits snug. Man, that really concerns me that your putting that much time into reinforcing the retract rails. Have you started your 220 Saito yet? I'm hearing so much about this big Saito now that I own one. Doesn't like to idle inverted, need an on board glow, hard starting when she's warmed up, likes to start backwards if your hand starting etc. Share some thoughts and experience with me on those subjects. I'm going to order a Mcdaniel on board glow system. I like the idea of just turning on the switch and starting. I also like the idea that when you idle down for landing, the glow driver comes on and keeps the glow plug nice and hot. Can't wait to fly this big stang! CAPTAIN RON.


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REINCARNATE,
I ALSO WENT WITH THE TONY HOWARD MUFFLER FOR THE 51. YOURS LOOKS GREAT. Did you have to use filling like the instructions call for to fill around where the shroud meets the fuse? what colors did you use for painting? I've got the 220 Saito mounted up. Had to move the engine mount holes back in slightly. I ordered the Dave Brown 5" spinner, got it last night but they sent me the wrong adapter kit. It needs the extra long jam nut to receive the allen head bolt from the spinner. I got the ailerons, flaps and elevators all hinged up this weekend. Time to start installing servos and retracts. I'm also going to use screws to install the canopy, don't like to use gule on those. I was wondering about your plans on that subject.

DANG! I LOVE THIS HOBBY. CAPTAIN RON.


Looks like we're pretty much the same stage of assembly. I also just hinged up the ailerons and flaps on the wing, and mounted their sHey Captain,

ervos. Completed the stabilizer, elevator and rudder the previous weekend (sans pushrods and horns, as yet).

Yep, on the Saito 220 and Dave Brown spinner, you need the X-long 1.25 x 8mm extension. Also, I had to take the DB spinner back plate to a friend's machine shop to take a few thousandths off the center hole so it would fit on the larger diameter rear section of the crankshaft. Did you have the same issue?

Also, I spent a lot of time over the last week fiberglass reinforcing the retract mounting rails in the wing. They just didn't look robust enough for this weight bird, and this was a major complaint area mentioned about the previous version of this ARF.

ALMOST went with the scale muffler kit from Tony Howard that Reincarnate recommended, but then decided I'd first try my hand at scratch building it! I may not succeed in creating an acceptable substitute, in which case Tony's got another sale! If it turns out OK, I'll post some pics here soon.

Bo





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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/31/2007 12:51:27 AM   
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Gotta love a guy honest enough to admit his perceived shortcomings, yet ambitious enough to start this build thread thats helped a bunch of us through the winter. Keep up the work Rip, and in a few months the skies will be full of giant Saitos dragging a bad-a$$ warbird around.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/31/2007 1:53:22 AM   
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RIP N BANK,
10-4 ON THE SNOWY WEEKEND AHEAD!!! I'M NOT TOO FAR FROM YOU. (PUEBLO WEST, CO.) I attended the big bird fly in at the loveland flying site in June of 06. Where you there? Brian Omeara flew his unbelievable Sea Fury. Mark Leesburg put on a crowd pleasing show with his 40% extra and that awesome 200cc DA.

I understand starting the big 220 by flipping the prop backwards works well if it's primmed up good. I to have other Saitos. two 91's and a 100. I love my Saitos. But I start those with a good old electric starter. Flipping a big snarly 220 backwards just doesn't seem right. We have a great flying site in PUEBLO WEST. WARBIRDS OVER PUEBLO fly in will be in September on labor day weekend. Think about bringing the big 51 down and fly with us. My buddy has a very nice breakin platform, I think I'll put the first couple of tanks through the 220 mounted up to that. Are you going with the stock muffler? I probably am. I really don't want to wait for a month and a half for one those keleo mufflers.

DANG, I LOVE THIS HOBBY. CAPTAIN RON.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/31/2007 5:21:01 AM   
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Gotta love a guy honest enough to admit his perceived shortcomings, yet ambitious enough to start this build thread thats helped a bunch of us through the winter. Keep up the work Rip, and in a few months the skies will be full of giant Saitos dragging a bad-a$$ warbird around.


Thanks for the kind words, Rein!

This plane IS a great winter project. I really enjoy starting with an already decent (but never, perfect) ARF, and doing cool, and (usually) appropriate, modifications to get the bird where I want it. I'll eventually do a "significant warbird kit" (a Ziroli B-25 comes to mind!), but right now, I don't have the time, or the patience.

Can't really get much flying in, anyway. As Captain Ron knows, we've had PILES of snow on the ground since the Thursday before Christmas, and snow every weekend since. I've only been able to fly once since mid-December! Very unusual for this much snow here this time of year (usually, it hits in March).

If it weren't for the distraction and satifaction from working on this 'Stang, I'd probably be going nuts!

Bo

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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/31/2007 5:30:21 AM   
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RIP N BANK,
10-4 ON THE SNOWY WEEKEND AHEAD!!! I'M NOT TOO FAR FROM YOU. (PUEBLO WEST, CO.) I attended the big bird fly in at the loveland flying site in June of 06. Where you there? Brian Omeara flew his unbelievable Sea Fury. Mark Leesburg put on a crowd pleasing show with his 40% extra and that awesome 200cc DA.

I understand starting the big 220 by flipping the prop backwards works well if it's primmed up good. I to have other Saitos. two 91's and a 100. I love my Saitos. But I start those with a good old electric starter. Flipping a big snarly 220 backwards just doesn't seem right. We have a great flying site in PUEBLO WEST. WARBIRDS OVER PUEBLO fly in will be in September on labor day weekend. Think about bringing the big 51 down and fly with us. My buddy has a very nice breakin platform, I think I'll put the first couple of tanks through the 220 mounted up to that. Are you going with the stock muffler? I probably am. I really don't want to wait for a month and a half for one those keleo mufflers.

DANG, I LOVE THIS HOBBY. CAPTAIN RON.


Hey Captain,

Yep, I've been at Big Bird each year for the last 3 years. The demos and the warbirds were incredible! I'm just disappointed more (read: ANY) multi-engine bombers don't show up.

As to starting the Saito, it would take a heck of an electric starter to get the 220 turned over! Will be sure the engine is primed before I try the backward flip to start it.

I'll try to make the WARBIRDS OVER PUREBLO fly-in. If I do, I'll bring the bigger 'Stang down!

Bo

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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/31/2007 8:52:02 AM   
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wel after looking at his site again im going to email him and heopfully he will be able to make me a fully functional scale system, fingers crossed.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/31/2007 1:32:01 PM   
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RIP N BANK,
What are the dates for the big bird fly in this year? I really enjoyed that last year even with the cold, rainy, windy weather. I'll bring something to fly this year. I'm gonna build a wild Hare 84" 260 EXTRA this spring. A DA50R WILL BE MY FIRST GASSER, and will get the upfront duties for the Extra.

I hope Advantage Hobby is sending the right adapter kit for the 220 Saito this time. I understand their sending the Dave Brown XL this time.

I'm also looking at a possible run at a twin engine bomber down the road. I really like the B-25 Mitchell. One of them is flying at our field and it is a real hoot to watch fly. Twin Moki's make it really sing our song on a low pass down the runway. Greg Hahn is also suppose to be coming out with a B-17 giant scale ARF. I'll have to take a look at that also.

DANG, I LOVE THIS HOBBY. CAPTAIN RON.

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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/31/2007 6:05:44 PM   
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RIP N BANK,
What are the dates for the big bird fly in this year? I really enjoyed that last year even with the cold, rainy, windy weather. I'll bring something to fly this year. I'm gonna build a wild Hare 84" 260 EXTRA this spring. A DA50R WILL BE MY FIRST GASSER, and will get the upfront duties for the Extra.

I hope Advantage Hobby is sending the right adapter kit for the 220 Saito this time. I understand their sending the Dave Brown XL this time.

I'm also looking at a possible run at a twin engine bomber down the road. I really like the B-25 Mitchell. One of them is flying at our field and it is a real hoot to watch fly. Twin Moki's make it really sing our song on a low pass down the runway. Greg Hahn is also suppose to be coming out with a B-17 giant scale ARF. I'll have to take a look at that also.

DANG, I LOVE THIS HOBBY. CAPTAIN RON.


Whoa! Greg Hahn is coming to your airfield with a B-17? THAT'S worth a drive down your way! Please PM me with the details when you hear about them!

Don't know the dates yet for the Big Bird fly-in, but it's usually in August. Isn't posted on the "LoveAir" web site, yet. My club, Rocky Mountain Modeleers, is a much smaller club and has a much more "modest" airfield (still, with a paved runway) in the same region.

Last year, we began a yearly July 4th Airshow (not a fly-in) and had a surprisingly large number of spectators (about 250). We expect twice that this year. Another member and I did a "Warbird Demo", me with my H9 60 P-51 and the other guy with his H9 Corsair. It was so popular that we've now formed a "60-size warbird squadron" within the club, and this year will be putting seven or eight 60-size warbirds in the air together with certain maneuvers (and collision avoidance!) planned. With that many in the air at once, each flyer will have a dedicated spotter!

Heh, now that I have this warbird, and another member has the giant scale TopFlite P-51, guess we'll have to add those to the show in a separate demo, too!

Bo


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RE: New Hangar 9 1.50 P-51 Build - 1/31/2007 10:34:07 PM   
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RIP N BANK,
What are the dates for the big bird fly in this year? I really enjoyed that last year even with the cold, rainy, windy weather. I'll bring something to fly this year. I'm gonna build a wild Hare 84" 260 EXTRA this spring. A DA50R WILL BE MY FIRST GASSER, and will get the upfront duties for the Extra.

I hope Advantage Hobby is sending the right adapter kit for the 220 Saito this time. I understand their sending the Dave Brown XL this time.

I'm also looking at a possible run at a twin engine bomber down the road. I really like the B-25 Mitchell. One of them is flying at our field and it is a real hoot to watch fly. Twin Moki's make it really sing our song on a low pass d