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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/27/2006 1:23:55 PM   
speedster 1919



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Status: offline 		I think Klotz was honest in their chart. But you have plus and minuses with castor oil and in tests the 100% synthetic Klotz came closest to heat tolerance to castor oil. What they are saying is a blend is the best of both worlds. What are you Aussies using for oils ? Is it Motul and Aerosave like Europeans ? If you had a choice petroleum 2 cycle oil would be better ,but allas it doesn't mix with meth.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/27/2006 11:59:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tip For Super Tiger Owners Only!!
Ok here is a tip to keep your Super Tiger looking great and to prevent that black stuff from building up on the motor. I saw a helicopter pilot doing this and adapted it for my Super Tiger engines. After you finish flying use a pump bottle with pure alcahol (no oil) ( I buy pure methanol for $3 a gallon-=cheaper than some cleaners) to mist the engire engine till it drip off and use a toothbrush to aid if you wish. This flushes any remaining castor oil off the engine which will prevent it from carbonizing and turning black. The alcahol will quickly evaporate and then you can use some spray like Fantastic, 409, Windex to finish the job. I like to open my carb to allow the alcahol to evaporate out of the carb but once you get home use an old foam ear plug to seal out any dust and you are ready to store until next flying session.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/28/2006 2:36:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are many post here on RCU about how to clean engines but to me the key is to keep it clean to start with. Now if you are one of those who like a cowl I think the alcahol will work for you to if you can get to spray through the front intakes of the cowl. It will not remain on the engine long as methanol evaporates very quickly but it is an excelent carrier of castor oil (that is what turns our engines black). Givet his tip a try and report your findings to others. Lets face it knowledge is worthless unless it is shared.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/28/2006 5:22:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Didnt Super Tigre go out of business like 15 years ago ? I didnt know anyone still flew those dinosaurs

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/28/2006 2:23:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Super Tigers are still in business and we are still flying them and I might add loveing them. They are the best made engine on the market other than their carb. I don't consider the carb on any of these engines to be well made but I will admit on the ST2300 there are a few out there better. One thing for sure the Super Tiger won't peel its liner with the iron liner and iron ring and that is more than you can say about othre brands. If you haven't tried one lately maybe you should the power is out of this world and the price is about half that of OS.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/28/2006 3:53:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, everyone is complaining about ST Carbs....

Has anyone married a 3rd-party carb to one of these? I have a ST G-45 that I'd like to use again, but of course it also had the transition problems. I agree that when they run sweet, they are a beautiful engine.

Does anyone have any actual experience with 3rd-party carbs on any ST's??

Bob

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/28/2006 5:03:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not the newer .45 but I have an old G.60 witha HUGE bore Kavan carb on it that runs like a bear, and an old .46 w/ a Perry on it that actually allows the engine to function the way it's supposed to.

Anyone who complains about the current carbs also remember the "carb of the month" they used to have? Seems like there were as many different carb designs back in the 60's and 70's as there were engines!

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/28/2006 8:18:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a .61 ringed brand new Italian and have set up to start breaking it in. First try, choked, started and stalled. Next attempt my electric starter spun the prop off?? I know I tightened this up but tried again and the same thing, spun the prop off. It has a 2 1/4" spinner. is thaT TOO BIG? also, there is only 2 threads left so a back up nut will not go on far enough. prop is 10x8

any help will be greatly appreciated

Thanks rkliemann

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/28/2006 9:09:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: N1EDM

OK, everyone is complaining about ST Carbs....

Has anyone married a 3rd-party carb to one of these? I have a ST G-45 that I'd like to use again, but of course it also had the transition problems. I agree that when they run sweet, they are a beautiful engine.

Does anyone have any actual experience with 3rd-party carbs on any ST's??

Bob



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Of course they have. There have been lots of articles on RCU Engines Glow describing the use of Magnum, Perry, OS and MVVS carbs on Super Tigre engines.

It would be nice if Super Tigre went back to equipping their engines with carbs based upon the old designs and throat sizes. Back in the days of utilizing small toothpick props, the larger throat carbs were very good. Today when most folks are flying either 3D or are running large props in order to quiet down the noise signature, a return to lower air flow/higher suction carbs is due.


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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/28/2006 10:37:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wish Super Tiger would make a four stroke then maybe we could afford to buy the four stroke. I am sure it would out perform OS.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/29/2006 2:14:37 AM   
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Status: online 		EVERYONE is not complaining about super tiger carbs. I am very happy with their carbs, and others are not complaining either. You just need to learn how to adjust them after breakin, and if you change the muffler to an aftermarket muffler such as a pitts style muffler from bisson or slimline you need to learn to set the muffler back pressure for proper carb operation.

I have only had to mess with one Tiger carb very much, and this was after I crashed the engine. In the end I found that the crash had damaged the needle and when I replaced the needle it ran great again.

The chinese 2300 carb is a great carb when used with the original muffler. If you change the muffler you need to adjust the back pressure to get even running at all speeds. Or if you want to spend the money and time you can buy a different brand carb, but its not necessary to change the carb get the chinese 2300 to run VERY well.

However, if you want a perfect power source for 3d I suggest you go to electric - this eliminates carb adjustments and I believe electric will soon take over in 3d. Several local 3d pilots have gone though a number of different engines looking for the ideal engine and the closest seems to be desert aircraft as far as glow or gas goes.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/29/2006 7:57:47 AM   
XJet


 

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However, if you want a perfect power source for 3d I suggest you go to electric - this eliminates carb adjustments and I believe electric will soon take over in 3d. Several local 3d pilots have gone though a number of different engines looking for the ideal engine and the closest seems to be desert aircraft as far as glow or gas goes.


For a start, there are *plenty* of engines out there that are wickedly good for 3D -- offering gobs of power and lightning fast transition.

The OS46, OS50, OS55, TT46Pro and any number of other good 40-55 sized motors are great examples of this.

These engines are also so good that, even when you change mufflers or props, it only takes a quick tweak of the needle to get them back on song and 100% reliable. Oh that ST carbies were as good :-(

The future of 3D is *not* electric -- unless you're a part-time 3D flier who's happy to spend a small fortune on batteries or wait an hour between flights. Neither of those options appeals to most of the hard-core 3Ders I know. As soon as they land, they want to fuel-up and fly again. And, for the price of a single 4s, high-current LiPo, you can buy enough fuel to last you all year.

Finally, Desert Aircraft don't make glow motors -- and their gasers are good -- but not necessarily the best. There are plenty of folks who'll argue that ZDZ, 3W or a raft of other manufacturers produce better products.

I've got a ZDZ160 and I'm *very* pleased with it. A friend just benched his DA100 in favor of a ZDZ because the ZDZ gave more power, better throttling and less vibration.



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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/29/2006 9:56:56 AM   
seeme323


 

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Status: offline 		I need help, I'm looking to buy a new engine for a Pt-60 trainer by
great planes (requires a 60 engine). My options are a O.S. for about
CDN$190.00 (http://www.gpmd.com/cgi-bin/wgpinf100p?&I=OSMG0561) or a
super tiger for about CDN$100.00
(http://www.supertigre.com/engines/supg0161.html), unfortanitly I'm new
to engines and the guys in the store seem to lead me nowhere but in to
confusion (good way to get me to get the O.S.) any ways was hoping
someone here could tell me if they have heard of super tiger and what
its record is for breaking in, starting (hot and cold) and its general
running and maybe its reliability and its longevity in comparison to
other engines and specifically to the O.S.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/29/2006 10:10:38 AM   
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Status: online 		Get the Super Tigre. You will like it very well.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 12/29/2006 12:59:42 PM