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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/5/2007 3:57:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Guys...I just got an X45 and X60 off *bay.
I had never seen the X45 before...and the guy I got them from said it's like a longer stroke X40, only w/ a front intake. Looks like I will have to do some comparison flying this spring with my K&B 6.5's

Question: The X 60 came in a side exhaust and a rear exhaust version.
Is there any noticable performance difference between the two?

The pic in the auction was for a FIRE X60 but he sent me a side exh version by mistake.
Thing is though, the side exh. version is in great shape...virtually brand new w/ only a little test stand time on it.
If there's no or not much difference between the rear vs side exh. versions, I might be happy to keep the side exh. version, but if the rear exh. is better, then I'd rather have the FIRE...

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/5/2007 7:49:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		I totally agree with the back pressure requirement. My Italian G2300 has a Pitts muffler on it, and the fuel was backing up away from the carb at idle and the engine would die. I put my finger over one pipe of the muffler, and got it to idle nice at 1400 ! I.ve now re-set the needles back to factory settings, and will start over tomorrow. Tonight I plugged one exhaust tube permanently. With the lack of back pressure, the needles had to be way rich. I think this one is fixed finally...
With both exhaust tubes open, it wouldn't idle below 3000 rpm.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/5/2007 9:07:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: proptop

Guys...I just got an X45 and X60 off *bay.
I had never seen the X45 before...and the guy I got them from said it's like a longer stroke X40, only w/ a front intake. Looks like I will have to do some comparison flying this spring with my K&B 6.5's

Question: The X 60 came in a side exhaust and a rear exhaust version.
Is there any noticable performance difference between the two?

The pic in the auction was for a FIRE X60 but he sent me a side exh version by mistake.
Thing is though, the side exh. version is in great shape...virtually brand new w/ only a little test stand time on it.
If there's no or not much difference between the rear vs side exh. versions, I might be happy to keep the side exh. version, but if the rear exh. is better, then I'd rather have the FIRE...



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I may be wrong, proptop, but I think that the side exhaust X60 is a bit of a rare bird here in the USA. All I ever remember being sold at Tower in those days were rear exhaust versions of the X-60.

It is easy to have a header made up to divert the exhaust gasses around the cylinder and up the center of the model, if that is your think. On the other hand, using a rear exhaust engine in anything but a pylon or pattern model is a bit of a PITA.

With all things being equal, timing/porting/etc., I see no reason why the rear exhaust will have a power advantage over the side exhaust.


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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/5/2007 10:14:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I hear ya Ed, as far as packaging in the airplane is concerned.

After further research, it appears that I have an early, short/round head FISE version...pre '81? (thanks Kweasel )
The guy I got it from has offered to swap it back for the FIRE after I notified him. He said he's sold 4 X60's lately, and just accidently mixed up the invoices.
He also offered me a pipe and header for the side exh. for 39 bucks, which is a great price. That makes me think about the PIA that rear exh. engines can be sometimes, and having to get a pipe for that one, etc. etc.,
I don't have a pattern airplane as of yet...I was reading the "Ballistic Pattern" threads and thinking the FIRE X60 would be a cool engine to have for one of those though...
Hmmm...decisions, decisions...(ain't it awful )

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/5/2007 11:15:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi WARHWK I know you said your engine was 1990 and you had original instructions. Another poster asked when ST quit making them. There has been known to be misprints in manufactures instructions. The Super Tigre web site reads like ST has changed their minds for all 3000 engines. The section for recommended fuel for S3000 and S3250 only the 3250 was recommended to use Big Tigre Fuel. These engines suck fuel and where meant to work on 0% nitro... 5% will work real well and can go to 10% But that is like saying My car red lines at 6,500 so I will drive at 6,490 all day long and be safe............And yes I know the 3250 was meant to replace the 3000..........

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/5/2007 8:45:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Man are these Super Tiger engines pilling up. Now I have 5 as I have just traded for a 61ABC. I will be running it shortly.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/6/2007 1:40:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, im done now... I tried everything I could think of, and the ST just doesn't want to run correctly. Just got off the phone, and I get to take the big Giles 202 back. It was a big pain in the butt just gettin it in and out of the house anyway. lol Back to my 40 size Saito powered scale birds. Life will be trouble free again. lol

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/6/2007 4:43:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Now you are talking Dennis. The 40/60 size planes are the cream of the crop in my opinion. You can aford to buy them, they are easy to work on and transport. I like to put mine in front of the tv and get a good Diet Coke and build away. The cost of large planes is enormous if you consider everything. Trailer $3000, Shop $20000, and a $1000 this and that. Just add it up because you have to have it or it won't work.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/6/2007 5:20:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		You hit the nail right on the head. The 40 size is a total blast and very easy to deal with. Im trying to be reasonable about the Giles deal though, so I have the carb apart now, and im making sure that it's clean, and that the LSN and spraybar are set correctly. Carb O Ring is like new, and the o ring on the LSN looks good and seems to be snug in the bore. He's got the plane sold to another guy already, so im just trying to do what I can for him. I can't find any crud, or anything wrong though. Oh well... Who knows, maybe all my old 2 stroke glow plugs are bad ??? Ah, the good ol days. lol

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/6/2007 10:55:42 AM   
speedster 1919



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Status: offline 		You put in old used glow plugs ? When a new FOX plug is $2.35 ! The old used plugs thrown in the back of your tool box were taken out for a reason .

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/6/2007 6:40:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		It has an OS#8 plug in it, and none of mine glowed as bright, but I did try a few just for GP. It did the same with all of them. Im going back to my "I hate 2 strokes" attitude... Saito's rock !
I was just goin thru a macho phase wanting that big plane I think. Im a scale type flyer anyway, and would have only flown it around like a private plane. It would have been too easy to fly to be fun for me after a while, and wound up just collecting dust anyway.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/7/2007 4:19:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Dennis you are right about those Saitos but they are soo expensive compared to these great little Super Tigers. I have several Saitos now and just traded a Saito 65 for a Super Tiger 90 because I needed more power. Both engines takes a little attention from time to time I just had to take my carb off a Saito 72 last night to clean out fuel inlet. The thing had a gummy build up in the needle valve area. I could see through it but I could tell that there was something in there by looking and by the way it ran in the air. I use a sewing needle with threat to clean it out and afterwards holding it up to a bright light it was now a much larger opening in there. I tried to avoid taking the carb off I tried blowing through the fuel inlet and needle valve hole but it just didn't change things. Naturally I could have started downing Saitos but I knew better, I had created my own problem here, so like most people I should start downing myself for doing this not Saito, Super Tiger, Thunder Tiger, OS, etc. If a man is smart enough he can make almost any engine run. The problem is some require more attention than others.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/7/2007 4:44:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I admitt, I am a bit spoiled after running my Saito's these last 3 or 4 years, and the fuel economy of a 4 stroke is wonderful compared to a 2 stoke. They sound better too...
I wouldn't have lost my patience with that ST so fast had I not seen the fuel bottle dropping it's level so quickly. lol The other factor that irritated me was the size of the 1/4 scale. My flatbed is perfect for hauling em, but it's such a hassel moving em in and out of the house. The 40 size planes are a joy by comparission, and with four strokes on them, their really cheap to fly. I agree that Saito's are a bit spendy, but I think their worth it. My 56 was about $200.00, but I haven't had to adjust the needles at all since it was broke in. Thats what I like... They always start instantly, and never die. I wish my Chevy ran as good.

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/7/2007 8:04:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		OS carb for ST 2300?

Could someone tell me of a currently available OS carb that will work on the ST 2300?

I see where the Magnum 1.08 carb works and probably the non-pump Perry carb.

Just looking for options.

Thanks,
Ray

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RE: *** CLUB SUPER TIGRE *** - 1/8/2007 4:01:37 PM