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ORIGINAL: J-MICHAEL

Vic ~

Since you converted it then, what size battery do you use in it ???

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dude, it's ONLY money (LMAO), you can't take it with you when you croak.

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ORIGINAL: J-MICHAEL

Jay ~


Ok whew...... I thought maybe you were stuck up in a tree like Kyles plane or something.... LMAO.... The fishing has been good, but I fear of the Webbie getting wet from either the rain or me sloshing around the river in my hipboots hiking it all over like a madman ! Maybe if I'am not hiking a few miles and just fishing a certain spot, I'll try and bring it.

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dude, it's ONLY money (LMAO), you can't take it with you when you croak.

I hear that..... Spend it like ya stole it ! Or is it fly it like ya stole it.... ?? ! Hek, I don't remember... All I know is its just money, and so that's why I got to sneak in a few ''rain-flights'' in just a bit ago.... (LMAO)....

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ORIGINAL: J-MICHAEL

Vic ~

Yeah I caught it about the batts.... I figured it wasn't just one 3-cell running that beast, but I had to ask ! Yeah the inverted shot was just rolling her over from a barrel roll.

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ORIGINAL: theradioflyer

Jeff,
I love the stills as well because you can see the rotor disk getting all it's worth! Great flying I hear ya on getting the camera wet and all. When your in the moment you don't think of the expensive stuff. I sank myself up to my chest (nipple high) last year in a sink hole of muck with a miss step on property I wasn't used to. I had to throw the gun to the other side of the creek and belly crawl to get out. You want to talk about stink! I had to laugh and just kept on hunting

God Bless Y'all,

Jay

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You're one of those guys that are seriously into it. If I get a boot full of water and it's November and everything is frozen....I'm outta there to get dry feet....I HATE being cold.
Fell into a creek in Feb while rabbit hunting once, I was out of there like I was on fire.

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ORIGINAL: J-MICHAEL

Jay ~


Ok whew...... I thought maybe you were stuck up in a tree like Kyles plane or something.... LMAO....

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I AM WRITING HERE TO THANK BOTH J.MICHAEL AND CRASH CRASH ///

for their great input on how to solve the TAIL WAGGING that was on the T-REX 450

CRASH : suggested that the GAIN on the GYRO be reduced ; I found 65% on the 0 position and 50% on the 1 position
I reduced the 0 POS. gain down to 60% and left the 1 position at 50%

J.MICHAEL : gave a sage speech on the performance of unhealthy batteries and what happens , like ''tail wag'' etc etc
so, I re-charged the 3s 2200mAh

the heli rises and LOCKS IN FLIGHT super super perfect......the 'ONLY' observation may be that the ''rudder'' input is now
super super sensitive it seems. Not terrible and I can live with that.....I only still don't understand very well the interrelationships
between the heli parts, GYRO included.
BUT I can fly it.....and for my learning process that is quite enough.

THANKS A MILLION ! ( to both of you ! ) RICK.......

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I AM WRITING HERE TO THANK BOTH J.MICHAEL AND CRASH CRASH ///

for their great input on how to solve the TAIL WAGGING that was on the T-REX 450

CRASH : suggested that the GAIN on the GYRO be reduced ; I found 65% on the 0 position and 50% on the 1 position
I reduced the 0 POS. gain down to 60% and left the 1 position at 50%

J.MICHAEL : gave a sage speech on the performance of unhealthy batteries and what happens , like "tail wag" etc etc
so, I re-charged the 3s 2200mAh

the heli rises and LOCKS IN FLIGHT super super perfect......the 'ONLY' observation may be that the "rudder" input is now
super super sensitive it seems. Not terrible and I can live with that.....I only still don't understand very well the interrelationships
between the heli parts, GYRO included.
BUT I can fly it.....and for my learning process that is quite enough.

THANKS A MILLION ! ( to both of you ! ) RICK.......

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ORIGINAL: J-MICHAEL

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I AM WRITING HERE TO THANK BOTH J.MICHAEL AND CRASH CRASH ///

for their great input on how to solve the TAIL WAGGING that was on the T-REX 450

CRASH : suggested that the GAIN on the GYRO be reduced ; I found 65% on the 0 position and 50% on the 1 position
I reduced the 0 POS. gain down to 60% and left the 1 position at 50%

J.MICHAEL : gave a sage speech on the performance of unhealthy batteries and what happens , like ''tail wag'' etc etc
so, I re-charged the 3s 2200mAh

the heli rises and LOCKS IN FLIGHT super super perfect......the 'ONLY' observation may be that the ''rudder'' input is now
super super sensitive it seems. Not terrible and I can live with that.....I only still don't understand very well the interrelationships
between the heli parts, GYRO included.
BUT I can fly it.....and for my learning process that is quite enough.

THANKS A MILLION ! ( to both of you ! ) RICK.......

That's good to hear Rick... I haven't used my Align esc's for awhile, And your video reminded me of what they do when they recognize a low-voltage situation. Every esc will react differently for setting off its LVC warning to the pilot. My Castle esc's won't pulsate the motor or tail, but instead will just very slowly start ramping down the power giving you time to land. The Align esc's will do this also, but only after a minute or two of kicking the tail and pulsating the motor like yours did. So a bit longer, and you would have experienced the power ramping down but more quicker than the Castle esc's.

I bet your tail on the 450 is sensitive ! The 450 is a precise, sensitive helicopter which is good because its a quality machine that you have and it shows. To slow the tail down to become more ''friendly'' or even ''scale-like'' you can add even some EXPO to your rudder. So like Vic said you can scroll through your DX7 screens until you find the Dual-Rate/Expo screen and add EXPO there. For the DX7 POSITIVE numbers make the sticks less sensitive around center, or more tame so to speak. So adding a + number then will make your tail a bit friendlier and not so sensitive. You can even add EXPO to your Aileron, and Elevator also. Currently, because I'am using very light modded 2.55 gram flybar paddles (stock Trex 450 SA paddles are 6.28 grams each) my heli is very sensitive... So for my Aileron, and Elevator I have + 19% EXPO dialed in... And for my Rudder, I have +15% dialed in...

Try and find what numbers work for you. Some use +25 to +30 % even... It just softens up the cyclic so its not so squirmy and touchy trying to control the heli in flight...

One other important thing that can be done which is the other half of slowing your tail response down is going to your TRAVEL ADJUST screen on the DX7 and turning your RUDDER points down a bit. This will decrease or increase your tail response down also. For its default setting it should be at 100%... For lightening fast piro's guys will increase this to say 130% or more. This is when you see piro's being done that are amazingly super fast. Then for slowing those piro's down, you would decrease those rudder points down from 100%. I've tried up to 120% before for my Rudder on the Travel Adjust screen, and it made the tail just way to sensitive.

Then I've tried as low as 90% and it made the tail much better. Currently today I use 90% for my Rudder on the Travel Adjust screen, and the piro's are still plenty fast but it also makes my tail more in control when I'am ripping around in flight and doesn't make it so touchy also. Combined then with my +15% Expo for the Rudder channel, it makes everything very smooth and not so touchy. You may want to find your sweet spot.

So just remember add a + number for your Expo to calm things down, and also decrease your number in your Travel adjust screen for the Rudder, and it will make things tame for you. Try a little at a time to find your liking.

Here are a few links that talk about how to slow or speed up your tail down, and also in relation to slower or faster piro rates in which explains it also on Helifreak below... You can search more there also, but what I told you is what any experienced pilot including Finless will tell you, and that is add Expo, and decrease your ATV's for Rudder, to slow things down.... Hope this helps !


http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=132234&highlight=faster+piro%27s

http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=169183&highlight=faster+piro%27s



Dave ~

Glad your liking the new charger, and I can't wait until you get the maiden done ! I think your going to be blown-away on how stable the 600 heli will be... Its going to lift off, and seem weird because there is not much headspeed required like our smaller heli's ! And you can itch and have a cup of coffee its so stable ! You'll really be impressed.... You'll be screaming ''Look ma no hands !''

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Vic ~

Yeah I tried the higher piro rates, but dang it was just still to quick and responsive to me... LMAO... In time though. I think why mine could also be so quick, and I had to tame it down a bit is my headspeed averages 3400-3700 rpms, and so the tail is quick enough just from the higher headspeeds. With my 11 tooth pinion on that 4400kv motor I prefer the 3400 rpms range for just general stuff. And then from time to time, you'll see me throw in the 12t with the 4400kv'er for just some fun fast forward flights. So it can get pretty hairy quickly if I also dialed in some higher settings I've found... LOL....

I got a couple flights in today. I think next its going to be practicing some Auto's with the 450. They say its harder with the 450, since the smaller blades just don't build up enough inertia, but I'am not using the 500 either with the torque tube stuff either ! (LMAO)... We'll see... I did a few today and yesterday with the 450, but only from a few feet up. I want to be able to do them from way up. Dunno though... Today, I actually got bored flying the 450 ?? Nothing really has changed with my flying, and so maybe its time to get out the planes for a break from the heli's maybe. I could be burning myself out ! Never thought I would say that, but today it just did nothing for me flying around... Crazy...


Take care Vic,

~ Jeff

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a quick SUNDAY response. JeffMichael : what I found on the EXPO set up by the CRASH for the RUDDER ..... was : +21 so I went up to : +40

while testing the PIROS on the driveway, the TREX went into a WILD piro sequence and shifted about 15ft sideways ; I managed
to stop it and point it ''nose in'' to return to me but the very tip of the blades nicked the tree and the heli fell vertically to the ground.
there was ABSOLUTELY NO DAMAGE so I dusted it off and flew it again, by that time I was FOREWARNED and managed to fly
it around with the sensitive rudder. Now that I prog'd the + 40 will try it again and report
I like the INNOVATOR so much now, that I sent off for the EXP.....[the INNOVATOR on steroids with full 3D capabilities]. I am also charging up the stuff for the RAPTOR.....and following the expert's advise will immediately begin to practice AUTOROTATION which I
do very well in both FSONE and REALFLIGHT 4.5
all this is due to the FIXIN of my physical limitation with the bad back, which held me back for MONTHS AND MONTHS.
so even as an OLE OLE PHARTT I guess I am doing alright

with the HELP OF MY FRIENDS, of course ! THANKS GUYS

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SUNDAY AFTERNOON : MICRO REPORT

J.Michael and CRASH :

I seem to be hitting the sweet spot everytime with the first TRY . I just set the RUDDER EXPO up from (+ 21) to (+ 40) .

Now the TAIL is controllable BUT QUITE RESPONSIVE, not ''wild'' The PIRO rate is reasonable (on the fast side) but I can stop it
at any quadrant I choose, so I consider it good.
When I learn to fly better, I may be wanting to refine the settings but that will only come when I do maneouvers, right now I am
concentrating on holding a straight line on FF, making the turns coordinating rudder input with slight aileron etc AND the dreaded
nose-ins which are no problem even for landings.

SWEET WEEK-END to all of you......I just came back from flying 4 helis ( 2 x HBK2 s - 1 T-REX 450 and the INNOVATOR ) all 4
are perfect flyers now, so I got a lot of machines to learn on.

RICK

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SUNDAY AFTERNOON : MICRO REPORT

J.Michael and CRASH :

I seem to be hitting the sweet spot everytime with the first TRY . I just set the RUDDER EXPO up from (+ 21) to (+ 40) .

Now the TAIL is controllable BUT QUITE RESPONSIVE, not "wild" The PIRO rate is reasonable (on the fast side) but I can stop it
at any quadrant I choose, so I consider it good.
When I learn to fly better, I may be wanting to refine the settings but that will only come when I do maneouvers, right now I am
concentrating on holding a straight line on FF, making the turns coordinating rudder input with slight aileron etc AND the dreaded
nose-ins which are no problem even for landings.

SWEET WEEK-END to all of you......I just came back from flying 4 helis ( 2 x HBK2 s - 1 T-REX 450 and the INNOVATOR ) all 4
are perfect flyers now, so I got a lot of machines to learn on.

A GOOD LOOKING T-REX AND A SUPERB FLYER TO BOOT = a happy ole man !

RICK

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Expo doesn't have anything to do with piro rate. Generally you would increase the end points on the rudder channel to increase piro rate.

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The GY401 has a limit pot on the face of the gyro to set travel limit...tell the gyro how fast of a piro you want with the end point, or travel adjust menu on the radios Rudder channel, I can't tell you why, but I can tell you all of the gyros I have, this is the method of adjusting piro speed

GY401
DS760
Inertia 860
JRG7703D
GP750

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It would be handy for somebody to explain it though.

Not sure I can explain it well but here's how I see it:

When you set the physical endpoint limits on the gyro you are telling it where to stop under all conditions.
On gyro's like the GY401 the Limit pot is used, others have independant endpoint setting.
Either way, no combination of conditions exist to make the gyro push past those endpoints.

When you input rudder commands the gyro determines how far to move the slider, you do not have direct input control of the rudder.
Outside conditions, like wind or sideways/backwards flight put forces on the tail causing it to move in the same or opposite direction of your rudder input. The gyro determines the direction and amount of pitch needed to put the tail where you want it.

When you change the rudder endpoints you are just telling the gyro that you want a different piro rate (relative to stick input) and it will decide how far to move the slider, within the endpoints you preset, to get that rate.

Not technical, and not sure it helps you, but that's kinda how I look at it.

BTW, you won't see the gyro behave like this on the bench, only in flight.

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Dave and I had a nice WARM day (almost 70deg), but the wind was horrible, I didn't fly anything. I discovered I got a total of 4 planes here, I got one RX for my radio. The 2M glider could be fixed, but I think I'll pull the servos and junk it. The Corsair needs a motor/ESC/ and the main wing crack repaired....that's on hold. The red biplane....just needs an RX, the Uproar, it's the one that flys, and the one I'm using. I still can't get over how the mid wing semi-semmetrical wing responds. You can get it moving fast, but it can be a floater. Having flaperons programmed in, that's about unreal too....never flew a plane with flaps. Tomorrow is supposed to be a low wind day. I want to put that Uproar way up there, drop the flaps, cut the motor and start a nose down aileron roll...see how slow I can get it to come down. There's a lot of stuff I want to try, but it's been to windy.

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Dave and I had a nice WARM day (almost 70deg), but the wind was horrible, I didn't fly anything. I discovered I got a total of 4 planes here, I got one RX for my radio. The 2M glider could be fixed, but I think I'll pull the servos and junk it. The Corsair needs a motor/ESC/ and the main wing crack repaired....that's on hold. The red biplane....just needs an RX, the Uproar, it's the one that flys, and the one I'm using. I still can't get over how the mid wing semi-semmetrical wing responds. You can get it moving fast, but it can be a floater. Having flaperons programmed in, that's about unreal too....never flew a plane with flaps. Tomorrow is supposed to be a low wind day. I want to put that Uproar way up there, drop the flaps, cut the motor and start a nose down aileron roll...see how slow I can get it to come down. There's a lot of stuff I want to try, but it's been to windy.

Cool Vic ! Yeah now that I'am more familiar with the DX7, I might even try doing the ''flaperon'' thing for a bit just to see.... I know Nick (Evdreamer) uses Flaperons for his bigger 540 Edge 3-D plane, and he seems to like it... It would almost seem like doing an ''auto'' in a plane and flaring and coming in major slow ?! Even though the 3-D planes already have oversized Aileron's for doing this, or doing the Harriers etc. etc. I still want to try !

I miss my planes, and now I see why you go back and forth between the heli's and the planes... The planes are so fun, but I'am also still very new in that dept... But that's what makes it still fun for me, as I like to tinker, torture, and learn new stuff.


Take care mister,

~ Jeff