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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP! - 5/27/2008 4:20:57 AM   
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the STEAK was great....

so on with Part Two:

don't worry Jay, I know your bet was just a figure of speech and not taken seriously!


The 600 flight went flawless! After 7 mins of flying the friendly skies I brought her down and powered off. It seems during my search for missing 450 parts, the other flier packed up his stuff and headed home as I didn't notice him around anymore. I decided to give my LHS a call to see if they were open, while I let the 600 cool down. Yes, I have the number programmed into my phone.... but, it's not assigned to speed dial.

As luck would have it, they were open but closing early... I only had an hour and a half to get there before they closed. Luckily, it's less then 5 mins away. So I packed up and left for the hobby shop.

I brought the 450 into the store to diagnose the parts needed to make the necessary repairs. Main blades, blade holder, feathering shaft, tail boom, belt, horizontal/vertical stabilizer, landing skids, tail rotor drive shaft..... During the autopsy, I found what I believe to be the cause of the crash. It seems the bearings in the main gear were worn, causing it to stick, which I think put strain on the belt causing it to break (flying in idle up with high head speeds, probably didn't help either). So along with the other parts, I picked up a new main gear.

As I walked over to the cash register to pay for my new parts, I noticed a Parkzone Stryker F27C sitting on the shelf. Brushless, LiPo, speeds up to 80 mph.... I was sucked over to the box as if I was caught in some type of alien traction beam. I had to take a closer look at what I figured I had been watching fly around earlier at the park. The RTF model was priced at $259.99, and as with all Ready To Fly kits... included everything needed to start flying, (model, battery, charger, and all the low quality electronics associated with RTF's)

One of the guys noticed my interest and quickly came over to answer any questions, or more likely wanted to keep an eye on me as I opened up the box to inspect the quality of the model. Knowing that I already have a DX7 and being the keen salesmen he is, he quickly pointed out the PNP kit for half the price. The Plug N Play model, comes with Model, Brushless Motor, ESC, and Servo's. Only thing needed is a Tx/Rx and battery. Seeing how, I have an extra AR6100 and 5 fully charged 2200mAh LiPo's it was an easy decision. I'm also contributing my purchase to the fine vid Jay posted earlier flying his Extra 300 and all the talk of the BOB's flying their planks.

So I headed home, changed the Eflite bullet connectors on the ESC to the Deans Ultra so I can use with my waiting LiPo's and installed my AR6100. After binding the receiver to my DX7 and entered the programming. I headed back over to the park to try out my Stryker F27C.

Let me preface the next part of the story by saying, I've never set up/flown an RC plane before. Sure, I've flown them on the simulators, but never an actual model.

First attempt:

I throw the plane into the air (it's a hand launch model,) hit the throttle and pulled down on the left stick..... The model takes a nose dive and pile drives straight into the ground. Seems there was a slight programming error! Luckily, these foam wings are pretty sturdy and no damage was done.

Second attempt:

After checking the settings and reversing the proper channels, I decided to give her another try. Again I throw the plane into the air and hit the throttle while pulling back on the elevator. The plane immediately climbs into the air and starts to bank right. I give a little left aileron to compensate and try to straighten out the flight path, the the plane immediately rolls left to inverted flight and heads straight into the ground. This time with more force and destroying the plane.




so my first experience with planks ends with all of 12 seconds of flight!
(At least my first attempt was comparable to the 20 feet and 12 seconds of The Wright Brothers and Kitty Hawk's first flight.)

Not to be discouraged, and determined not to leave the park with a full charge on my remaining battery packs..... besides, I had to show the crowd of laughing BBQ patrons I could actually fly something. I pulled out my 450SE and flew through my remaining 2200 packs. I also had a couple 5000 mAh packs left for the 600. So I alternated, between models given them time to cool down. As I put my last pack into my 600 the winds started to pick up. Knowing things tend to happen in 3's and always during the "One last flight" I decided to power down, pack it up, and head home. Anyways, it was time to fire up the BBQ and cook some dinner.








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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP! - 5/27/2008 5:09:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lookyj

the STEAK was great....

so on with Part Two:

don't worry Jay, I know your bet was just a figure of speech and not taken seriously!


The 600 flight went flawless! After 7 mins of flying the friendly skies I brought her down and powered off. It seems during my search for missing 450 parts, the other flier packed up his stuff and headed home as I didn't notice him around anymore. I decided to give my LHS a call to see if they were open, while I let the 600 cool down. Yes, I have the number programmed into my phone.... but, it's not assigned to speed dial.

As luck would have it, they were open but closing early... I only had an hour and a half to get there before they closed. Luckily, it's less then 5 mins away. So I packed up and left for the hobby shop.

I brought the 450 into the store to diagnose the parts needed to make the necessary repairs. Main blades, blade holder, feathering shaft, tail boom, belt, horizontal/vertical stabilizer, landing skids, tail rotor drive shaft..... During the autopsy, I found what I believe to be the cause of the crash. It seems the bearings in the main gear were worn, causing it to stick, which I think put strain on the belt causing it to break (flying in idle up with high head speeds, probably didn't help either). So along with the other parts, I picked up a new main gear.

As I walked over to the cash register to pay for my new parts, I noticed a Parkzone Stryker F27C sitting on the shelf. Brushless, LiPo, speeds up to 80 mph.... I was sucked over to the box as if I was caught in some type of alien traction beam. I had to take a closer look at what I figured I had been watching fly around earlier at the park. The RTF model was priced at $259.99, and as with all Ready To Fly kits... included everything needed to start flying, (model, battery, charger, and all the low quality electronics associated with RTF's)

One of the guys noticed my interest and quickly came over to answer any questions, or more likely wanted to keep an eye on me as I opened up the box to inspect the quality of the model. Knowing that I already have a DX7 and being the keen salesmen he is, he quickly pointed out the PNP kit for half the price. The Plug N Play model, comes with Model, Brushless Motor, ESC, and Servo's. Only thing needed is a Tx/Rx and battery. Seeing how, I have an extra AR6100 and 5 fully charged 2200mAh LiPo's it was an easy decision. I'm also contributing my purchase to the fine vid Jay posted earlier flying his Extra 300 and all the talk of the BOB's flying their planks.

So I headed home, changed the Eflite bullet connectors on the ESC to the Deans Ultra so I can use with my waiting LiPo's and installed my AR6100. After binding the receiver to my DX7 and entered the programming. I headed back over to the park to try out my Stryker F27C.

Let me preface the next part of the story by saying, I've never set up/flown an RC plane before. Sure, I've flown them on the simulators, but never an actual model.

First attempt:

I throw the plane into the air (it's a hand launch model,) hit the throttle and pulled down on the left stick..... The model takes a nose dive and pile drives straight into the ground. Seems there was a slight programming error! Luckily, these foam wings are pretty sturdy and no damage was done.

Second attempt:

After checking the settings and reversing the proper channels, I decided to give her another try. Again I throw the plane into the air and hit the throttle while pulling back on the elevator. The plane immediately climbs into the air and starts to bank right. I give a little left aileron to compensate and try to straighten out the flight path, the the plane immediately rolls left to inverted flight and heads straight into the ground. This time with more force and destroying the plane.




so my first experience with planks ends with all of 12 seconds of flight!
(At least my first attempt was comparable to the 20 feet and 12 seconds of The Wright Brothers and Kitty Hawk's first flight.)

Not to be discouraged, and determined not to leave the park with a full charge on my remaining battery packs..... besides, I had to show the crowd of laughing BBQ patrons I could actually fly something. I pulled out my 450SE and flew through my remaining 2200 packs. I also had a couple 5000 mAh packs left for the 600. So I alternated, between models given them time to cool down. As I put my last pack into my 600 the winds started to pick up. Knowing things tend to happen in 3's and always during the "One last flight" I decided to power down, pack it up, and head home. Anyways, it was time to fire up the BBQ and cook some dinner.









Jer....the stryker is NOT a first timer bird, man...they fly flat out at almost 60 mph (LMAO). Lucky for you.....the damage is quite fixable from what I see. Use 10minuet epoxy and put the stryker back together....it'll be fine. After you re-assemble it. Test it under power into the wind with NO motor to check that it will fly straight and level (no rolling, diving etc). Best place to test is into the wind (5-8mph) in a field with grass thats 3-4ft deep. When you do fly it....take off at about 1/2 to 3/4 throttle, throw it a little nose high, but not a lot, and slightly upward. It should develop enough speed as it starts to nose down after the throw to maintain flight and gain altitude. DO NOT over correct on the sticks....these "hot" planes react very quickly to input as you have learned. I would run EXPO at about 35% with this one. I'm no expert, but I do know the stryker is one HOT little cookie.

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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP! - 5/27/2008 5:20:25 AM   
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Crash -

I knew the Stryker is not a beginners plane, but I wanted something I could grow with. Something somewhat durable that could last a few bumps of the learning process....

I'm pretty sure I could fly it fairly well if it was set up correctly.

maybe I'll just stick with the helis!

you really think epoxy could fix it? I'm just worried that the epoxy won't hold from the thrust of the brushless motor, but I guess it's worth a try, if not a new fuselage is only $18.99. Either way, I'm going to take it into my LHS to have the correctly set the programming and center the flaps.

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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP! - 5/27/2008 5:28:43 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lookyj

Crash -

I knew the Stryker is not a beginners plane, but I wanted something I could grow with. Something somewhat durable that could last a few bumps of the learning process....

maybe I'll just stick with the helis!

you really think epoxy could fix this? I'm just worried that the epoxy won't hold from the thrust of the brushless motor, but I guess it's worth a try, if not a new fuselage is only $18.99.



I've epoxied a lot of foamies...more than strong enough. Just make sure the parts mate perfectly as possible, and are tightly held while setting, and don't have a lot of excess epoxy...you don't need it. Yours is an easy fix...go for it......(LOL). Dude.....you can learn this...it's a LOT easier than helicopters. Once you get your first flight and successful landing...you'll be hooked (ask ARROW). A mid wing rocket is not exactly the best to learn on, but it's do-able.

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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP! - 5/27/2008 5:42:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: lookyj

Crash -

I knew the Stryker is not a beginners plane, but I wanted something I could grow with. Something somewhat durable that could last a few bumps of the learning process....

I'm pretty sure I could fly it fairly well if it was set up correctly.

maybe I'll just stick with the helis!

you really think epoxy could fix it? I'm just worried that the epoxy won't hold from the thrust of the brushless motor, but I guess it's worth a try, if not a new fuselage is only $18.99. Either way, I'm going to take it into my LHS to have the correctly set the programming and center the flaps.

Funny... I am going thru the same thing with Helis. I can fly the snot out of planes but Helis are a fair bit more challenging. Just put up a 30 size nitro after a crash and picked up a Blade CP... It flies better but I imagine it's because it is set up properly as oposed to my 30 size.

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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP! - 5/27/2008 7:58:46 PM   
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Jer that plane is VERY fixable. You can use foamsafe CA as well, it's a bit lighter. Definitely put some expo on the ailerons and elevator, I would go as far as suggesting %70 or more to start with and scale back the more that you get use to it. That was an expensive day right there!

God Bless Ya,

Jay

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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP! - 5/30/2008 2:09:56 AM   
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Chopper Here,


Tip of the Day:


Hmmm, what's up my sleeve now.. Well, ever notice that you may have trouble with your phillips head screw drivers not fitting correctly in the screw. Seems to slip and have to put more pressure to make the screw tight.

Well, the phillips head screws made in other countries, like Japan, China and Hong Kong, use a different standard than the USA.

Here's the tip, get out your trusty jeweler's file or dremel, and file the tip of the screw driver down a 1/16 of an inch or so. Trial and error, maybe more, never really measured it.

You won't believe the difference, ahhh, maybe you will.

Dave / Choppersrule




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RE: Wheeeeeeee.......... Blade CP! - 5/30/2008 2:19:55 AM   
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quote:

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Chopper Here,


Tip of the Day:


Hmmm, what's up my sleeve now.. Well, ever notice that you may have trouble with your phillips head screw drivers not fitting correctly in the screw. Seems to slip and have to put more pressure to make the screw tight.

Well, the phillips head screws made in other countries, like Japan, China and Hong Kong, use a different standard than the USA.

Here's the tip, get out your trusty jeweler's file or dremel, and file the tip of the screw driver down a 1/16 of an inch or so. Trial and error, maybe more, never really measured it.

You won't believe the difference, ahhh, maybe you will.

Dave / Choppersrule






And he's absolutely RIGHT about this one....I've done the flie thing on phillips to make them fit better....but I didn't know why I had to do it (LMAO).

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