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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 6:52:06 AM   
kf5wd


 

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Status: offline 		Hanna:
"FWIW Erroll told me the R/C field was moved to it's present location 2-3 years ago. "

Completely false; modelers have been flying from this same spot since 1995.

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 6:57:23 AM   
Kevin Greene



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It is a gray area as to whether Mr. Hammer will be entitled to punitive damages as it can be hard to prove willful misconduct in Mr. Hammer's case. Although it may seem obvious to us, it will have to be proved. HOWEVER, in the case of the trees intentionally (if this is really the case) being removed from the neighbor's land----Punitive damages do apply!!! Sorry---If the trees (or scrub brush as Mr. Severe called them)are located on a right-of way or in an easement area along a public road the county can legally remove them. It is, however, customary (but not usually necessary) to inform the land owner of this first---Especially if the request was made by another individual other than the land owner.

Kevin

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Flag Pole------ - 2/22/2003 7:14:06 AM   
Kevin Greene



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Status: online 		This is only a guess----I would think that the pole, given its close proximity to the full scale strip, was not totally legal in the FAA's eyes due to the notam filed by Mr Severe. Additionally, even if it were legal, it was not properly marked (Lighted on top). One of the first things that I would do if I were Mr. Hammer would be to file an injunction concerning the notam and then proceed to get it totally nullified due to the fact that there was established activity already at one end of the strip. After the notam is nullified----up go the driving range nets!!!!

Kevin

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Re: Flag Pole------ - 2/22/2003 7:27:26 AM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kevin Greene
This is only a guess----I would think that the pole, given its close proximity to the full scale strip, was not totally legal in the FAA's eyes due to the notam filed by Mr Severe. Additionally, even if it were legal, it was not properly marked (Lighted on top). One of the first things that I would do if I were Mr. Hammer would be to file an injunction concerning the notam and then proceed to get it totally nullified due to the fact that there was established activity already at one end of the strip. After the notam is nullified----up go the driving range nets!!!!

Kevin [/QUOTE]

KaChing... KaChing... $$$$$$$$$$ Kevin, you really should have been an attorney.

Out here, 300 acres would be worth millions of dollars. Anyone have any idea of what it is worth in Eureka? How many hours can these two buy from attorney's at $500 an hour before the cost of the land becomes a factor? Hmmm...... How much do good attorneys get in Eureka?

I hope the juries are more predictable in Eureka than in California. Even IF you win, out here, your never going to get all you paid the attorneys back in the award, IF you win.

On the other hand, coffee is about $3 a cup at Starbucks. That's getting expensive.

JR

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 7:27:56 AM   
hanna


 

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Status: offline 		OK- Lets try this - Big Twin says something along the lines of hearing about Severe's big plans 8-10 years ago. Someone else says the field been there since 1995. Which leads to the question why was the field moved in 1995, or 8-10 years ago. I typed real slow so everyone could follow along. The field was moved upon hearing what someone else was going to do with their property. The field was in another location 900 feet from its present location according to Severe. Is it soup yet and can I have some lawyer money also? Mike Krizan

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 7:36:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		this is the whole attitude of mr severe he thinks he can do everything he wants reguardless of others

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 7:40:52 AM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by hanna
OK- Lets try this - Big Twin says something along the lines of hearing about Severe's big plans 8-10 years ago. Someone else says the field been there since 1995. Which leads to the question why was the field moved in 1995, or 8-10 years ago. I typed real slow so everyone could follow along. The field was moved upon hearing what someone else was going to do with their property. The field was in another location 900 feet from its present location according to Severe. Is it soup yet and can I have some lawyer money also? Mike Krizan [/QUOTE]

And all of this for one plane a month, according to bigtwin113 in post #11?

Someone tell me again what this is about. I am sure it can't be about anyones ego. It must have some cosmic significance that I fail to see.

JR

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 7:43:13 AM   
bigtwin113


 

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Status: offline 		what would it take for this matter to stop??
one thing an appolgoly and for him to change his takeoff dirrection plian and simple i have flown at hammers for years the winds are normaly north or south with a lil cross wind no big deal everyone would be happy if severe would change dirrections everyone would prosper and there would not be a conflict period............

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 7:55:50 AM   
Kevin Greene



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Status: online 		J_R,

Due to the fact that I live in the south I would guess that this land (if nothing else like an industrial park or subdivision is close by or APPEARS to be being built in the near future) is worth $2000/acre or less for farm land. Again, I have not seen the property---I'm going by undeveloped farm land prices close to my home. You're right---it will cost some money. Our cost of living is MUCH less than where you live---Including attorney's fees. Although how did you pay only $3.00 for your Starbucks coffee---The last double whammy, eyeball swellin', head tingling, buzz inducing, caramel macchiato (sp?), super-duper special (Hold the whipped cream please) coffee costs me over five bucks!!! (I can't wait to get another!!! )

I, too, wish that these two could mend their ways WITHOUT trampling on the rights of one over the other. I believe that this started long ago. I do not know who drew first blood but it seems obvious to me that Mr. Severe has an "All be damned" attitude, pushing his will and his strip on others.

Kevin

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 7:58:44 AM   
bigtwin113


 

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Status: offline 		kl you seem to understand compleeeeeeetly in this matter is that ama took our status but then again why did it happen. and we have tried and have proven what we can leagaly to show what has happened last year a couple showed up at a flyin we had going on he asked for a meeting he said to about 20 of us he had good news and bad news he said he was going to build a musiem and cadet training center that was the good the bad he said we cant fly here anymore then he said i will dedicate 5 acres for you r/c flyers to fly on my land then he said its over trees
well duh what would you think

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 8:20:54 AM   
Gordo-ProBro



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Status: offline 		Thanks Mark. That's so much easier for my macho bad self!

We're having fun now, I like that. But I think we've run the useful course, if there was one! Without more info, we are not really gonna see the light!

Who wants to forget all this crap and have a fun fly?

(just kidding Bigtwin)

Gordon

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 8:30:33 AM   
J_R


 

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< Message edited by J_R -- Feb 22 2003 3:35AM >

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 8:31:21 AM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by bigtwin113
kl you seem to understand compleeeeeeetly in this matter is that ama took our status but then again why did it happen. and we have tried and have proven what we can leagaly to show what has happened last year a couple showed up at a flyin we had going on he asked for a meeting he said to about 20 of us he had good news and bad news he said he was going to build a musiem and cadet training center that was the good the bad he said we cant fly here anymore then he said i will dedicate 5 acres for you r/c flyers to fly on my land then he said its over trees
well duh what would you think [/QUOTE]

It's amazing to see the different perspectives across the country. When a field comes under attack here, the first reaction is "who can I sell my stuff to?" Fields are hard to come by. Most that I know of are over trees, or boulders, or corn fields and one even has a shooting range at one end. It's getting harder to feel sorry for you guys. LOL.

Someone in the group has to be half a salesman and take the two of these guys out and patch things up. Apologies are not normally going to be part of the solution. A drink or two might.

I can only hope that if our field ever has a problem that it is with someone that loves airplanes..... any airplanes. There is a solution here, and you need a third party plane lover to find it.

Just my opinion

JR

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 8:33:42 AM   
hanna


 

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Status: offline 		So guys what if the R/C field was moved upon hearing about Severe's plans? So much for being able to do whatever you damn well please on your property. It seems this whole problem was brought about by Hammer's action. If this is true does it sway anybody or are their feet so firmly dug....... Mike Krizan

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 8:40:13 AM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by littlecrankshaf
Yep I think it is time to say good night Gracie. Unless something "really" of a consequence is illuminated this thread is pretty much dead. Anyway good luck Hammer and believe it or not I wish the best to Severe also. It is a shame two grown men can't find the common ground. So much could be possible! [/QUOTE]

I could not agree more, Mark

JR

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 8:58:13 AM   
hanna


 

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Status: offline 		This problem is between two people. The AMA is involved. A lot of people got hot under the coller. The problem is not resolved. I hope this gets resolved someday. I am satisfied as to where the problem lies after talking to one and hearing nothing from the other. Mike Krizan

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AMA vs Chartered Club 4129 - 2/22/2003 9:05:17 AM   
Kevin Greene



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Status: online 		A-men Mark!!! These two could have the best of both worl