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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/4/2007 1:17:49 AM   
MOTORMAN37



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Birman,
You will still have plenty of time here in WI to get it built. We are supposed to get snow by me tonight. I posted pic's of mine the night I recieved mine. The rib next to the bay on each side was broke. I can fix that easily with a couple sticks of balsa. I was a little dissapointed with that. They replaced the cowl, and the flaps on mine. Little spider crack, and two left flaps.
That is how I have the extra cowl to try with the 2 stroke.

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/4/2007 1:31:32 AM   
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Well, I've got a Venture 60 on the bench waiting for me to get back to work on.

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/4/2007 1:48:34 AM   
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Birman,
Why didn't you just request a set of wings. Did you allready have the stab on it. Did they ship a new one out allready, or are they waiting for yours to get there.

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/6/2007 4:19:03 AM   
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Sorry to hear of your misfortune Birman. When mine arrived, the box was smashed so bad the UPS driver did not even want to unload it. We asked him to bring it in and examined it closely and did not find any damage to the plane! I guess the Lord was watching out for me that day!

Got in 3 more flights and about 25 - 30 touch and go's today. I moved the CG back about 3/8 inch and it made a difference in landing speed and elevator responce. Lands much slower now, but I still have a problem getting it to land! It wants to float on forever!

I have the OS 91 Suprass 2 and it is finally running very good. I can pull straight up from level flight and climb at least 250 - 300 ft and still have enough speed for a great looking hammerhead. Drop it to about 45 degrees and it will climb out of sight! It will almost hang vertical on the prop at full power. I'm turning a 14x8 and still a little rich. Motorman should be able to get a short hover with the 2c .91.

It will hold altitude in slow flight at about 4-5 clicks above idle with 1/2 flaps. It will not quite knife edge, but I think I can get a little more rudder throw and make it work. Maybe bring the CG back a little more will also help.

I love the stability on landing. Absolutely no tendency to drop a wing. Stalls (when I can make it stall) are straight forward and very gentle.

Crank in all the aileron you can get. Rolls are slightly slow (compared to a good sport plane - not a 3D plane) but are very realistic.

This is quickly becoming my favorite plane. I now fly it first and most often when I get to the field. It is worth waiting for, you will love it!

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/6/2007 12:20:29 PM   
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Hi Chuck. I got my OS 91 Surpass II yesterday. It's a beauty. Now all I need is a plane to put it in to. Your description of the flying characteristics of the RV-4 have me drooling. Can't wait until I get my replacement.

Larry

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/7/2007 10:29:49 PM   
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Motorman I know you havent flown the RV4 yet, but in your opinion, would you say that the RV4 will fly like a Shoestring just with less speed? Same flight characteristics?

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/7/2007 10:49:03 PM   
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Chris - It's been a while, but most Shoestring's I have flown in the past have had a much higher wing loading than the RV-4. Because of this, I think the flight characteristics are going to be quite different. The shoestring would have a much greater tendancy to drop a wing in slow speed flight (as in landing etc) than the RV-4. By the same token, the Shoestring would do more violent manouvers such as snap's better than the RV-4.

My RV-4 reminds me a great deal of the Space Walker and Dragon Lady I flew years ago. Fairly slow, gentle flight but still capable of manouvers like loops, rolls, spins and great inverted flight. It will snap, but not like the thin wing aerobatic planes.

Yesterday, I took it up till it was almost out of sight and did a spin all the way down to less than 100ft. Let go of the sticks and it recovers in an instant!

I have about 20 flights on mine now and well over 100 landings / touch and go's and it just seems to get better each time.

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/8/2007 12:02:22 AM   
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This plane sounds like a fun one, I am going to have to take a closer look at it. Sounds like it can handle mild aerobatics. Thanks for the info.

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/8/2007 1:25:23 PM   
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Chris,
My GP Shoestring has no bad habbits whatsoever, it will not drop a wing. It is my favorite plane at the moment. We will see if the RV-4 can outdo that. The Shoestring weighs about 7 lb's and is powered by a .75 2 stroke. I predict that the RV-4 will be a very nice flying plane, but not a speed demon at all. A 15 x 6 @ 10,000 is only about 55-60 mph. The "Shoe" turns a 12 x 7 at close to 13,000 and is much less draggy lighter.

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/8/2007 2:33:58 PM   
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How about in the aerobatics category, the rv4 and shoestring will be about the same? Basic manuevers but nothing to write home about? Loops, rolls, knife edge, things along them lines?

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/8/2007 4:38:05 PM   
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Chris,
The Shoestring grooves kinda like an old pattern ship, where I think the RV-4 will get buffeted around by the wind alot more. My Shoestring will outclimb most RC planes other than models set up to hover. The Shoestring will knife edge from horizon to horizon at like 100 MPH and perform extremely large loops, along with true pylon racing turns at full tilt boogy (reinforced wing).
Other than both of them having a cheek cowl, and tail dragger configuration, I do not think there is much of a comparison. THe Shoe would litteraly fly circles around it, atleast mine will.
Last fall here in WI, I was flying with three sport turbines at an IMAA flyin. My Shoe was right with them in the pattern. That day I was running 11 x 9 @ 12,300
I heard people mentioning that little Yellow plane that goes like a bat out of Hell everytime I went up, I flew seven flights that day, most people did not even fly because of the 20+ mph wind running directly down the runway.

With a .91 4 stroke, you are only going see about 60 mph with a 14 x 6, and about 50 mph with the 15-6. The Shoe when powered with a good power plant, and propped correctly is an easy 105 mph plane. Out of a shallow dive at full throttle with the Shoestring, the speeds are insane. I would not want to do anythin like that with the RV, the tail is not strong enough for that, plus it would probaly take a healthy high revving 1.20 +++ 2 stroke to pull it that fast, the plane is not very streamlined at all. The tail surfaces are flat, not even beveled at the trailing edges.
Like I said before, the RV-4 will be a nice flying somewhat aerobtic scale type model, but by no means a High performnce model.

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/8/2007 4:47:40 PM   
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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/10/2007 4:12:07 PM   
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Can someone measure for me how high the vertical stab is on this plane. I want to make sure I wont have any issues getting it into my trunk.

Thanks

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RE: Great Planes RV-4 .60-.90 ARF - 4/10/2007 4:24:35 PM   
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With the tail wheel on the ground, the top of the V-stab is at 17 1/2". Top of the cowl is about the same.

Chuck

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