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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/2/2007 1:30:41 PM   
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Hi Silversurfer,
Thanks,well... I was so motivated that I bought a WH Edge 540 28% V-1 while the V-2's were being shipped.
The V-2 still looks good tho.
NEDYOB

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/2/2007 5:20:34 PM   
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It's all good. It's not possible to have a bad one, everything in the W/H hanger flies too good1

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/2/2007 6:23:20 PM   
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I received the TNT main gear today, it looks good. Tom at TNT now has it available in a 3/16" 6061 T6 aluminum (heat treated aircraft structural aluminum). Will continue to use the stock gear for awhile to determine if it will bend at our somewhat rough grass field. The replacement gear from TNT is about $40 plus shipping. You can find cheaper ones, but be sure to determine what the material is. A friend got one somewhere and it broke right at the bend off the fuselage. Looking at the break with a 10X glass it was apparent that the material had impurities, probably recycled aluminum rather than prime material.

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/3/2007 8:22:30 AM   
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Are there any scale instrument panels available for the V2 edge yet? If so where can I get them from?. I'm really looking forward to getting mine.

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/3/2007 2:23:32 PM   
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Rusty:

Not yet,but I should have some in a month or so, I hope you can wait.

Our producer of panels is very good bot not very fast.

TF

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/4/2007 6:15:28 AM   
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Thanks tom,

yeah I can wait.

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/4/2007 1:39:37 PM   
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Rusty:

Do you have the new Edge?

TF

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/5/2007 1:18:56 AM   
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Not yet but will have in a few weeks.

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/5/2007 4:26:13 AM   
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OK, got to fly mine today and have the current weight. With wheel pants and the Taurus 52 it came in at 17lbs., 15 ounces. or 8.136 kilos for those challenged with the U.S. standard measurement system. I could lose 6 to 8 ounces by removing the pants if I really cared to, but it flys just fine as is.

This is going to be a really fun plane once I have it all dialed in. It hovered very well, and pulled out just great. Those that have a desire to know how great it pulls out should just get one because I can't define it any better than that. It accelerates vertical just fine from a dead hover and that's good enough for me. I had a little bit of pitch to the belly in KE balanced dead on 5-1/2" aft of the leading edge, and have to hold touch of "down" elevator when level inverted, so that's pretty close to a good C/G. Harrier rolls pretty good, but I haven't flown in 4 months so it prolly does it a lot better than I can tell at the moment. Did a 3D rate full up elevator pull and held the altitude and the 50 degrees of elevator. No other inputs other than rudder to hold a heading and NO wing rock was evident. Same holds true with a power on elevator, no wing rock, period. I did not lateral balance the plane. That stuff takes too much work and I'm just not critical enough to worry about it.

Tremendous amounts of aileron deflection are available for those that have a sadistic streak and really like to beat things up. Over 40 degrees if you want it. 50 degrees of elevator in both directions is easy to obtain, and still have some room to go if you feel you have to have more. You don't, it harrier rolls just fine at about a 30 degree aileron and in the area of 30 degrees of elevator. It takes just a tad more than 25 degrees of rudder in the high alpha rolling stuff to get it "just right". Slow rolls are stupid easy, and point rolls are even easier.

I'm not terribly happy with the engine performance at the moment, but everyone there, me included, feels that's due to an overly restrictive muffler. I'll be trading out the JA wrap around for a Bisson tomorrow. If you want a real quiet wrap around Pitts muffler the JA is the way to go, but from my current point of view I think you'll be giving up a lot of rpm to be quiet. The outlet pipes are much to small in diameter. Not much larger than the exits in a stock .90 two stroke muffler. You can only run so much fluid through a small outlet at a time.

With only three flights on the plane and a muffler that I want to toss my overall feeling is that this is going to be a FUN plane to take out on any given day. The version II flys quite a bit better than the original. I think I'll keep her

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/5/2007 6:29:58 AM   
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How do you think it will fly IMAC?? I'm planning on setting mine up as a back plane. It will be powered by a DA50 and MTW75 canister.

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/5/2007 3:12:17 PM   
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I need to make some changes in the control settings and fly a few more IMAC type maneuvers before I can answer that. I'm not an IMAC flyer so my reports may not be as subjective asthey could be in that area. I did start working at one maneuver during the first flights and it was doing ok, even with the surface deflections set too high.

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/5/2007 8:37:49 PM   
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The Edge (any Edge, not just ours) is a good IMAC plane except for one thing.

The straight leading edge gives no yaw damping like a swept LE does. This makes it a little harder to fly a perfectly straight line. You will need to do more rudder correcting with a Edge than with, say, an Extra.

Some time if you get a chance fly an Edge and then a Giles and you will instantly understand the difference.

If you're planning to fly basic the Edge will be fine, even for sportsman.

TF

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/6/2007 1:17:15 AM   
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Done both and I agree

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/6/2007 6:04:19 AM   
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I have the older version extra which I am flying sportsman with now. It flies extremely well, so the edge will be a back-up plane in case something happens to the extra. (touch wood).

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/8/2007 4:23:41 AM   
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Back to the Edge and Imac. Flying it again today gave me a little more feed back for IMAC set up. The 5-1/2 C/G location causes a slight pitch to the belly in knife edge, which was expected. That's on the aft side of things so a good starting IMAC C/G might be around 5-1/4" aft of the leading edge or perhaps a touch more forward. If you're going to use the aft point for flying, as I intend to, plan on a rudder to elevator mix topping out at about 10-12%. Until you input the rudder/elevator mix for knife edge there is no roll coupling evident. Once you apply the mix there is a slight amount, but it's easy to dial out. Bear in mind that this was noted at the most aft suggested C/G, and that a more forward C/G will have less pitch coupling. The Edge flew a couple of IMAC maneuvers much better with the mix than it did without in this case.

This Edge will do a wall/blow over into harrier better than most planes I've seen. I still haven't had any issues with wing rock in a harrier, and that's without checking the lateral balance. Hovers are easy, but you will want to be in high rate aileron to stop the torque roll. Low rate won't quite do it. The high alpha knife edge is down right pretty and very easy to do, even without a rud/elev mix. I'm still working on the harrier rolls but so far it's looking like this is going to be a great plane for them. I'm waaay out of practice, plus the ignition timing on my engine is incorrect, making the power curve a bit on the weak side. Fixing that tonight.

The hardest part of the landing is getting it down. It likes to fly and has to be pretty slow to settle in. An idle a touch too high will carry it FAR down the runway, so let those engines warm up a bit before you settle on the idle setting. Overall she's a REAL easy plane to fly and a whole bunch of fun, which is why I wanted one. Go out, fly the dickens out of it, have a great time, and do some wild 3D. What more can you ask for?

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RE: 50cc Edge V2 has landed - 3/8/2007 6:24:40 AM