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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/6/2009 11:15 PM   
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Anyone know the diameter of the inside of the cowling? I have a radial that needs 8 1/4" to clear.
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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/6/2009 11:25 PM   
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I actually used a standard control horn. Actually it was one left over from an Ultrastick 40 build as it was much stiffer than most of the nylon ones available. Hopefully the attached pictures give you the general idea. The only thing not in the pictures is the carbon rod that I reach up and grab but you can see the ball that the link attaches to.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/7/2009 4:47 PM   
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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/7/2009 5:15 PM   
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Anyone know the diameter of the inside of the cowling? I have a radial that needs 8 1/4'' to clear.
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I've got a Saito 1.70 in mine and the fit is not too tight. Diameter of the Saito is 8". Your 8 1/4" should slip in with no problems.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/8/2009 9:09 PM   
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Made a bit of progress yesterday - remembered to bring a second cigar

Fuel tank, lines, fuel dot, elevator servos and most of the langing gear (I know - it has to came back off, I forgot the fairings)



Probably can't see it - but I did GBR2's choke linkage (thanks - it works slick)

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/9/2009 11:20 PM   
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Did notice one thing when I put in the elevator servos (HS-645MG's) - 18" servo extensions only get you to the back of the plywood tray. I think I'll R&R them with some 24" ones.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/10/2009 1:37 AM   
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I used 18" ones and the reversing Y harness took me the rest of the way to the Rx.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/10/2009 4:36 PM   
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I won't have a Y harness (slaving the channels together in the 9303). Airwild needs my money anyway

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/14/2009 1:59 AM   
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Great thread, guys.  I had been agonizing over what plane to get, started out looking at a Decathlon, then the monocoupes.  I looked at Kangke but really liked the PAC Clipped-wing Monocoupe, researched all the planes I was thinking about and this one won by a landslide.  Good thing, because the Kangke's are going to be forever coming in!

I'm looking for a plane to put my Syssa 30CC gasser into.  That 30CC weighs the same as a Zenoah G20 E.I. !!  The more I looked at this plane, the more I knew it was just right for that engine.  

Also, the landing and takeoff problems discussed in the thread were of interest to me.  This is a short-winged (heavy) taildragger, and there are several important aspects that really need to be addressed with these.  First and foremost, you've got wheelpants, and when you're flying a heavy plane with pants you MUST give them a good going over when they're upside-down in the saddle, push them, flex them, try to find a way to make them flap over over and dig into the edges of the wheelpants.   If you can manage it, then so can the plane, but you won't like it when the plane manages it!  Trim the pants back or get better tires, maybe BOTH.  Also, be positive that they are rolling freely on the axles. And straight.

The steering wheel is critical.  That rear wheel looks small but it's the very lifeblood of the takeoff runout, especially at the start.   The spring(s) MUST be strong enough to follow the rudder, and as somebody already pointed out (kudos), it needs to be aligned straight with the rudder.  And as another experienced taildragger pilot pointed out, the throw on the rudder is critical as well.  A more effective rudder can make a pretty scary turn all at once if you're not careful.  Sometimes low rate rudder is a takeoff must, and you'll have to decide these cases plane-by-plane.  

And the next part is simply technique, and that comes with experience.  You hold back on your elevator at least some while you start your rollout until you've got your line (that keeps the tailwheel on the ground and it can steer while it's still on the ground), then you slowly release the elevator and by then you have gained speed, then you can use AIR to steer your rudder as the tail flies (a truly exciting thing, I never tire of it!) until you are ready to rotate and lift off.  Golden age planes have tails that fly during landings and takeoffs, so study the physics of it.  Remember that when the wheel is on the ground it can steer, when it is off the ground the rudder must do the steering, and that takes airflow or airspeed.  Golden agers often have another exciting factor....a big, round radial engine area and the round wall of air it pushes that can rob the tailfeathers of airflow!  Sometimes the rudder needs MORE throw.  My Waco elevators wouldn't even work the first time out at 35% low-rates as it rolled out for a landing.  Landing and takeoff the Waco gets high rates now.  The Monocoupe is longer than the Waco and should be less affected by it, but these are the things we have to look for to solve our problems.  Too much throw or too little throw?  And why?

Anyway, I have ordered one of these beautiful Clipped-Wing Monocoupes through my hobby shop, and I have ordered one of those beautiful Syssa 30CC gassers like the one in the photo above as well.  I'm hoping I will not drag my feet on this build.  Life has had a nasty habit of getting in the way of me finishing my builds this past year, but I have no intention of hesitating on this project.  I'm inspired!

I can't wait to see how the Syssa powers this, and where it will balance.  It's lighter than the G-26, so I might have to keep servos forward.  And I never thought I'd say this, but I've just GOTTA have smoke in this puppy.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/18/2009 1:54 AM   
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Old Fart,

What size wheels did this come with?  The ones that come with it are foam, right?

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/18/2009 7:23 AM   
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Hey TexasSkypilot,  I was surprised to see you on this thread as I have been picking up your feedback on the H9 Taylorcraft. So tell me, do you like this plane more ?? Is it easier to build and fly ??

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/18/2009 12:52 PM   
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Hi lotsofcrashes,

They're both awesome planes, and I've always been interested in the T-Craft as I occasionally fly in a full-scale T-Craft with a friend.  To me, the Clipped-Wing Monocoupe wins out,although I have to admit I went back and forth about a hundred times before deciding.  although I fly in a full-scale T-Craft, I'm a sucker for Golden Agers, and I'm a sucker for wheelpants and round engines.  I mean, BAD......

I already have a Waco UMF-5.

As far as which of these two models builds up better, I haven't got my Monocoupe yet, it just shipped out to me yesterday  (Yay!), and as you know, the T-Craft has been on backorder for some time and only seems to be released in small amounts.  

So I'm going to go with what I know here.  I've read through the threads for both of these and the Clipped Wing Monocoupe hs been getting GREAT reviews for the building, the manual (I downloaded it and printed it out so I could sleep with it at night, it really is a great manual), and the flight characteristics.  Even with gassers much bigger than 30CC they are not having any real trouble with all the extra weight.  30CC and down they say it's perfect.  I've been watching the videos, they're really stable on landings and approaches and they can really cut loose up there for aerobatics.  Don't ask me about hovering, don't know about that and don't care.  I'm into the older aerobatic birds, I always have been.  The Monocoupe in its day won all the aerobatic shows.  The landing gear on this has a few reports of "spreading", but I rarely have problems with that as I can grease almost anything almost all the time.  But as it's a reported (small) issue I thought I'd mention it.

As for the T-Craft, the thread is full of people having this break off or that not holding together.  It's a Hangar 9 product, and Hangar 9 products just seem to have a number of things wrong with each model, as though they know there's a handful of things but they don't want to take the time to iron them out.  There's always a few weak items.  Most of them don't bother me, but wing struts failing and flying braces breaking, those are disconcerting to me.  It's a bit like having everything working good on your parachute but that little rip cord sometimes doesn't stay attached when you yank it

So, those are my observations and speculations.  I'll be getting my Monocoupe within the next week, and I have promised to document my build on it.  Just so you know up front, I'll be tossing the foam tires in the rubbish, making my own flying wires with something like a Sullivan kit, and changing the rear gear to a Sullivan standard one-piece steerable gear set, which looks much more scale than what comes with it and will work a hundred percent better!  I'll be powering it it with a Syssa 30CC which is exactly mid-range by CC size, but by weight it's small and by power it's bigger than that, according to what I can glean from all I have been reading.  Reality is another thing altogether at times!  I will try to use some of the hardware if it's up to snuff, but my rod ends are almost always changed to the Sullivan black-plastic clevises with locks, and they are attached by using solder-on threaded rod ends.  My planes don't crash from failures, so those are what I like to use.  Being a good solderer is the biggie for this.

Well, I don't know if this helped, but I'm out of breath and I'm supposed to leave for work in 10 minutes and I still haven't showered!


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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/18/2009 5:31 PM   
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Old Fart,

What size wheels did this come with?  The ones that come with it are foam, right?

Jimbo



Jimbo, I'll have to measure the diameter. They're foam though.

Woohoo - USPS finally managed to get my "carb insulator" to me - back to assembly tomorrow night. Off to watch the Kings play Philadelphia Flyers tonight.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/18/2009 7:16 PM   
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Let me get over to the shop tomorrow and I'll tell you the size Sullivans I put on mine. I use the "Featherweights", I think they're called. Two-piece aluminum centers w/ a rubber tire. A bit expensive but a great tire.
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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/18/2009 9:28 PM   
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TexasSkypilot, you made me smile reading your feedback. Your obviously excited about the new plane and know what your talking about. I just posted a note on the tcraft thread saying similar things about H9 planes. If you claim to be first class, then go all the way. The guys are doing lots of repairs and they seem to be on top of things but the plane should not have obvious issues like those in the first place. 
Can you tell me which suppliers carry the Monocoupe, its not on the Horizon or Tower hobbies sites. There is no info in Australia about the plane either.


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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 1:37 AM   
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Hi Guys,
I have flown my Monocoupe with a SV-26 rear carb (from Troy Bulit Models) 6 times now and it is a real pleasure!
The SV-26 provides plenty of power and it flys great on 1/2 to 3/4 throttle.
Take offs are easy - just make sure you have the rear wheel aligned with the rudder and some expo dialed in - I had a bit of trouble on the first few take-offs until I replaced the tail wheel springs with something a bit stronger.
Now -easy as pie - straight and true. Power up graually, the tail come up and away you go - in quick order!

Landings are simple too - chop the power - she comes down fairly quick due to the large cowl frontal area and the APC 18x6 Wide prop I am using -and then go up on the throttle 2-3 clicks for a smooth landing with no bad habits. Flairs nicely with a little power on.
I was paranoid about landing a clipped wing plane but this one is a ****cat. The designers at PA did thier homework.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 3:15 AM   
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Lotsofcrashes,
 
Pacific Aeromodels sells them directly if you do not have a local dealer, let me get you some links.  If you have a local dealer they can call PAC Aero and maybe get set up.  
 
I'll also attach a photo I really like of it, that I am using for my desktop now as a .bmp file.  
 
 
 
I don't see any Australian dealers on there.
 
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By the way, I don't remember where many of my photos come from, but I think that with the pond in the background that this is probably GaGeeBees plane photo, I don't remember exactly what I saw in the video background but it looks right to me.  Whoever took it, what a great shot....


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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 3:27 AM   
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Ken Cz,
 
Most of these Golden Agers don't really "float" mush with that big round wall in front of them, but one thing I see a lot is that the tail flies in a "settled down" position behind the plane in flight, and that means it's still tail-heavy, and they really come down much more quickly like that.  If the plane LOVES to land at a reasonable speed with its tail flying and then rolls along for a while before you have to pull back on the elevator to drop the tail for ground steering, then you've got it just right.  If it likes to settle in for nice 3-point landings, then it's set up tail-heavy. This is a common situation with Golden-Age Racers.  Add that extra drag from the tail plowing along below instead of behind a plane and it can accelerate the speed of descent.
 
I was looking at many of the photos posted out here, and as the plane goes flying level past the camera the tail is not as high as I'd like to see it.  I took the photos into my photoshop and blew them up to get a good look, and almost to the last photo I found that flying past in level flight the elevators were VISIBLY down, holding up the heavy tail of course.  I'll see if I can find one and publish it up here, hopefully you'll be able to see the low set of the tail and the elevator deflected downward.
 
Not saying yours is set up this way, but I thought it was a good opportunity to mention what I've seen a lot of out here.  Hope these photos show what I'm talking about.

The one I just found I blew up as much as I could without making it too fuzzy, but I think you'll be able to see what I'm talking about.
 
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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 9:35 AM   
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If the model flies with the tail down, why does it have to be tail heavy ? Why can't it be a decalage, or incidence problem ?

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 9:48 AM   
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Tom,

It could be either or both. In this case, it's more than likely tail heavy. We had the same problem with the Waco's until we actually got to checking the Center of Balance by using the Mean Aerodynamic Chord measurement and found that we were all flying with the C/B too far rearward.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 9:52 AM   
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Thanks, Bill.

Looking at the above posted pic, it looks to me that the stab has negative incedence. That's why I asked.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 10:59 AM   
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By the way, I don't remember where many of my photos come from, but I think that with the pond in the background that this is probably GaGeeBees plane photo, I don't remember exactly what I saw in the video background but it looks right to me.  Whoever took it, what a great shot....



Yessir, that's mine. Glad you like it It's really a terrific airplane and I think you're going to be very pleased with it. I find myself flying this one more than anything else in my "hangar". Looking forward to your thoughts once yours arrives.

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 1:29 PM   
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Paul,

Looking forward to being able to report my experiences!  Just 1 plane and...1 engine....and I'll be on my way!  I'm waiting as hard as I can, and I hope that's helping to get them here faster.

I've been shopping for the items that I always switch out and for the items that I'm planning on using with this one.  Still can't find out what the wheel size is, I want to use something tougher than foam on this one.

Beautiful photo there.  It now resides on my Desktop and gives me a smile every time I walk by my computer!  Every now and then a photo just turns out perfect.

I enjoyed your flying video as well.  Your wife (I'll assume the lady's voice was your wife) did an AWESOME job taking that video.  My buddies couldn't come close to a job like that.  I have some very messed-up video to show for proof!

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 1:36 PM   
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Tom,

Funny you should mention the incidence.  I have already been giving some serious thought to adding just a touch of POSITIVE incidence when I assemble it.  It's a gutsy thing to do, but as I'm also half Maniac it just seems to be the thing to do.  I'm going to have to research some more full-scale photos in flight to see what kind of scale attitude these usually have.  Such a modification would be my own personal experiment, but I have a feeling about it. 

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RE: New Pacific Aeromodel Clip Wing Monocoupe - 11/19/2009 4:11 PM   
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Tom,

Funny you should mention the incidence.  I have already been giving some serious thought to adding just a touch of POSITIVE incidence when I assemble it.  It's a gutsy thing to do, but as I'm also half Maniac it just seems to be the thing to do.  I'm going to have to research some more full-scale photos in flight to see what kind of scale attitude these usually have.  Such a modification would be my own personal experiment, but I have a feeling about it. 

Jimbo



I can't remember where the tail plane on my IKON "coupe is set, but you can see that it flies in a nuetral attitude.

Yes Bill, it's an IKON kit.

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