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Powerhouse batteries - 2/2/2003 5:45:15 AM   
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Does anybody use powerhouse batteries? Is the quality of the packs good?
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Powerhouse batteries - 2/2/2003 7:29:52 PM   
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yes. I have one. actually, IMO, they are very good.

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Powerhouse batteries - 2/3/2003 4:59:11 AM   
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They are good batteries, but the three that I have, I noticed that they are soldered directly to the cells rather than with tabs. I do not like that idea, so I am no longer using them.

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Powerhouse batteries - 2/3/2003 7:57:37 AM   
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Could you tell me what is soldered directly to the cells? Are you talking about the wires?

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Powerhouse batteries - 2/3/2003 6:48:43 PM   
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they use high purity copper braid between the cells, not tabs. Nothing wrong w/ that. Actually preferable.

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Powerhouse batteries - 2/3/2003 9:21:03 PM   
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The copper braid may be a better conductor than the tabs, but the heat from soldering it to the cells is harmful to the cell. The heat required for soldering (even 1 second) will dramatically reduce the lifespan of the cell.

For more details, check Red's battery clinic http://www.rcbatteryclinic.com/soldering.html


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Powerhouse batteries - 2/3/2003 11:38:13 PM   
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I end-to-end solder all my packs. Now that I'm accustomed to doing that for e-flight power packs, I also make my own packs that way for reciever/servo packs on non electric aircraft. The reduction in resistance compared to those little "solder tabs" is rather substantial. I've probably got $2K invested in packs for motor power (from 6 cell packs to 30-cell packs), all of which are end-to-end soldered, most of which have several HUNDRED cycles on them, with no degredation in performance or capacity. I would not be intentionally doing something to shorten their life I assure you. I use a 60-watt iron with a hammerhead tip (large mass, doesn't cool quickly when touching something) and I'm on the end of a cell usually less than a second, but sometimes more. I've only twice had a cell vent, and both those times were during charge with malfunctioning chargers, not due to heat from the soldering process. If you do a bit of research into high-performance electrics, you'll find soldering directly to a cell is the ONLY way to go. The little solder tabs are probably Ok for a few amps, but still,..the internal resistance is far higher than either end-to-end soldering or connection with a large braided strip.

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Powerhouse batteries - 2/3/2003 11:53:29 PM   
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Gary - I didn't say it was impossible. I merely meant that without the proper precautions, soldering can damage the cells.
I assume you also use a heat-sink or something to remove the heat as soon as you remove the soldering iron to minimize the risk of damage, right?


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Powerhouse batteries - 2/4/2003 1:54:06 AM   
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If you are a novice at soldering then you probably shouldn't try making your own packs.
I have soldered together hundreds of packs for myself and others and have very rarely had a problem.
I do not believe that soldering directly to the battery shortens the batteries life if the person who did the soldering has the ability and the right tools for the job.
I have Ni-Cad packs that have lasted over five years of use with nothing but fast charging. There is no way those batteries could have been damaged by my soldering to them and still perform for over five years.

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Powerhouse batteries - 2/4/2003 3:58:27 AM   
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We all can offer our own personal experiences with battery packs soldered to cells directly, they are of little value IMO. It is a known fact that soldering directly to cells is not a good idea. I am sure that if the manufacturers thought it was OK, they would not have invested in expensive spot welding machines to weld solder tabs to their cells.

I have done it in the past and have also never had a problem with it, but having realized the risk I prefer to no longer accept it.

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Powerhouse batteries - 2/4/2003 7:55:44 AM   
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I'm with you Vince. I too have soldered cells in the past, but never something vital, like a Rx pack.

I have seen 2 cars running without any oil in them, and sustain no damage... I still put oil in my car


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Good Thread - 3/4/2003 3:40:50 PM   
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Is there a commercially available "spot/tack" welder out there? If not, how are we supposed to get our cells together realisticly? What is the best or preferred method to put cells without tabs together? Thanks_bob

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Powerhouse batteries - 3/4/2003 9:13:01 PM   
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There most certainly are spot welders available for welding tabs to batteries. My local battery supplier welds them on custom designed to my specifications and only charges an extra 20 cents per cell (2 tabs). I know he didn't build his own welder, but I don't know where he bought it. Also, I have heard that they cost several thousand dollars, so unless you make your living making battery packs, they are prohibitively expensive.


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Powerhouse batteries - 3/4/2003 9:22:08 PM   
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Make your own - if you dare... - 3/5/2003 9:25:24 AM   
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