Composite-ARF Extra 330L 2.3M ARF
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Posts: 69
Joined: 5/19/2008 From: Milwaukee, WI, USA Status: offline
O.K. O.k. markind take it easy Im new to this .I do have the FSone flight sim and have about 10 hrs not alot of time but have been using it.I have no problem with flyn the trainer 40 flys pretty good but when it comes to flyn the F-22 on the sim FORGET IT CRASH N BURN!!!I do NOT PLAN ON FLYN THE F-22 this summer I bought it cuz I got a good deal. Got a plane and a sim. for $200 sim is that alone. I see alot off guys are putting in bigger motors in the plane to give more power (stock to weak)thats the info Im lookn for before I even think of tryn the plane.And yes I found a locale flyn club to help but seams nobody there has delt with this plane.So Im kinda lookn to this group for ideas and knowledge. So far you guys are the most knowledgeable when it comes to this plane!! Not to many fans of this plane out there,but it seams to me that with a few mods this could be a great flyer.So thats where Im at right now doing the SIMS thing.Im thinking about taken the Parkzone J-3 out today its not windy out.If I crash and burn that plane seams cheap to repair
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Joined: 5/19/2008 From: Milwaukee, WI, USA Status: offline
Hey guys go check this out on youtube "thejamesballardman" he has the F-22 I would have put a direct link but dont know how to load it here sorry.THIS IS NO STOCK MOTOR ON THIS PLANE!!
Posts: 343
Joined: 11/11/2006 From: San Jose,
CA, USA Status: online
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ORIGINAL: markind Just need to get her out to the field now...
I had the day off today and with calm weather in sight I got all my batteries charged up last night and kitted up for flying this morning.
Our first flight was delayed due to cattle in the runway.
So I thought I would taxi around, hoping the sound would drive them off. It worked for the young ones, but the adults were oblivious.
They finally wandered off allowing model aviation to commence. Range check pass.
First Launch
Stalled on Throttle Up. Dang, after all that testing too... Checked the Evo .52 manual - hmm could be too lean on Low Needle. Ok tweaked that, re-started. Re-test. Engine stable in all modes and transitions.
Second Launch
Success! Check the trim - nice. Check hands-off. Very nice. Did some rolls. Great! Did a big clean loop. Nice.
Timer beeped after 6 minutes, which leaves me some fuel for at least two wave-offs.
First Landing Attempt
Wave - off. Too high too fast...
Second Landing Attempt
Perfect on the touchdown! But - it was halfway down the runway! Static breaking ALMOST kept her on the pavement, but she had too much momentum and went into the rough just a few feet, stalling the prop on some soft dirt.
No other damage. Whew.
Second Launch - no problem. Did some fast and slow fly-bys, more rolls and another nice big loop. Great fun!
Third Landing Attempt
Again my glide slope is too shallow, and the nose is a bit too low, and the speed is a bit too high. I could not get a flare, maybe for fear of stalling.
This landing found me with the throttle all the way down, and I thought it would be ok, but she bounced. Not too bad, she will settle in I thought. Nope, next bounce was bigger! Dang, too late now... Bounce, bounce, bounce, thump. Again off the edge of the runway.
Damage report:
Snapped yet another 10x7 APC prop. Getting a nice collection of these now.
Engine was shifted in its mount - I did not have the tools needed to adjust it back so I called it a day.
No other damage!
That's all I have to show for 4 hours work, including clean-up with Windex, etc.
I love this plane but I need to figure out how to land it!!! Arg!
All in all I would say she is more complex than my TREX, which is just charge and go!
Posts: 69
Joined: 5/19/2008 From: Milwaukee, WI, USA Status: offline
Thanx jim that be it! that plane is screamn in that vid.Im sure that guy is very experianced pilot he has alot of plane vids of himself.He makes it look so gracefull and looks like no problem doing some stunts.
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Joined: 3/28/2007 From: Simpsonville,
SC, USA Status: online
Hey Guys I found the engine that James Ballard used on his Hanger 9 F-22 Youtube video. It's called the West Eurotech 50 V1 engine. Here is a link to a hobby shop over the pond that sells it.
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Joined: 11/11/2006 From: San Jose,
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Yep for Landings I set Flaps down to about 1". I just gotta keep workin it. If I could just touch down near the beginning of the runway instead of the middle, I could stay on and taxi back to the pit area...
Its scary though - if she stalls on approach, she's a long walk off in a soft plowed field, probably with plenty of damage and dirt stuffed in the engine. Don't want to risk that. Better to take a bakers dozen of hard landings than that stall.
Could it be she is a little nose-heavy? I checked the balance before launching - its in spec according to the manual...
Why does she get so unstable on a medium-slow approach with medium-high angle of attack and flaps down? Its frustrating. She can drop a wing, then flip the nose down fast and hard if its not done right.
I'll have her fine tuned again for this weekend. Need to get this down.
BTW another flight problem exists - this bird gives lots of adverse coupling with the rudder. I may fix this some day with a gyro install. It would be nice to be able to use the rudder to help line up with the runway but only if she stays level when doing so. Every rudder input tips a wing badly (and drops the nose too) however, so I tend to not use the rudder much at all in flight or on landing approaches.
On the real F-22, this adverse rudder coupling is programmed out with its sophisticated software and awesome hydraulics. The pilot need not even be aware of the issue.
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Joined: 3/28/2007 From: Simpsonville,
SC, USA Status: online
Markind I wish I had the same problem as you to share in your pain. But my F-22 is solid rock steady on landing with flaps. My first movement of flaps drop down to about 3/4", my second movement of flaps is at the 1" mark. But i have only used the first toggle switch position of the 3/4" flaps to land. And I have just recently gone back into my DX7 transmitter at added some down elevator mix when I hit the flap switch because the plane will jump up into the air as soon as I would engage the flaps.
Maybe you need to reduce the amount of flaps to around 3/4", and see if that will provide a more stable decent to the runway. Also, When I build my F-22, I balanced the plane for side to side balance as well as the C/G forward and aft. I have my H9 F-22 C/G balanced at the 6 inch mark behind the wing roots leading edge near the fuselage.
I had to add lead weight to the left wing inside the aileron servo compartment to balance my F-22. It was heavy on the right side because of the muffler and engine head being on that side of the fuselage.
Balance issues can cause all kind of problems with flight of your aircraft. once balanced correctly, the plane will be a dream to fly.
I bet if you check the (side to side balance) of your plane you will be amazed at how far out it is.
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Joined: 11/11/2006 From: San Jose,
CA, USA Status: online
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ORIGINAL: sbrackets
Markind
I bet if you check the (side to side balance) of your plane you will be amazed at how far out it is.
Check it, and let us know!
Jim S.
Ah HA!! I never checked for that!! That very well could be the problem, and I will attack it tonight. Great tip THANKS!
BTW I did some asking around and an expert pilot I know says your flaps should be proportional to the headwind. If it is dead calm, go for the max flaps that you prefer. Landing into a strong and steady headwind is helpful as it reduces your groundspeed on the approach, and requires less (or none) flaps to get that nice flare on touchdown.
I need to re-assign my DX7 switches. I have it set for Flight Mode Does All, which is not working out. I'll put my Dual Rates on individual switches, and use the Flight Mode switch for Flaps only. Then I'll set for Zero, .6", and 1" flap settings and go from there. 1" should be good for those calm days.
Dual Rates is pretty much mandatory on this bird. You want minimal throws and lots of EXP for takeoffs and landings, but full throws and little if any EXP for stunt flying (at full aileron deflection she has a wicked fast roll rate!!).
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Joined: 11/11/2006 From: San Jose,
CA, USA Status: online
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ORIGINAL: bigmann292
O.K. O.k. markind take it easy Im new to this. ... So far you guys are the most knowledgeable when it comes to this plane!! Not to many fans of this plane out there, but it seams to me that with a few mods this could be a great flyer.
Cool! Yep we are niche market us F-22 fans. The more the merrier! Yep a few mods make this bird better, and they are listed here!
I don't bite any heads off but I do make the warning - to be successful with this model is a signifigant challenge and commitment! You gotta stack all the dice you can in your favor, or KA BOOM!!
After many flights and totalling one ARF kit already, I am still nailing down the basics. Its all worth it though, to have this baby zoom by at around 100mph and listen to that roar... Boo Yaaaaaa!
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