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BHogue -> using other oil alternitves (1/21/2007 6:03:41 PM)

i run two strok engines. just now starting to use straight methynol no nitro. looking for a oil that i can use other than high dollar stuff. hi have tested several different oils and all seperate. thanks for any replies



downunder -> RE: using other oil alternitves (1/22/2007 1:43:54 AM)

There's not really any choice other than the usual oils like Klotz etc that have been tried and proven. Most (if not all) the usual synthetics will have been developed for larger engines like snowmobiles, go-karts and so on and have been found to work quite well in our smaller engines using methanol. Synthetic gas turbine oils are very good but tend to be quite expensive. Castrol make a synthetic gear oil which is used extensively in England (MSSR and I think their ML 70 is a gear oil too) so if you're willing to take the chance with an engine you could try other brands of gear oils. Castor of course is the best but not medicinal castor.



BHogue -> RE: using other oil alternitves (1/22/2007 3:00:48 AM)

downunder i really appreciate you answering my question. i figured we were at the mercy of the mfg. ill tell ya i really love reading all the info in these forums i have learned a lot. HAPPY R/C ing.



XJet -> RE: using other oil alternitves (1/22/2007 3:39:16 AM)

Since you're in the USA, why not buy some Liquifire oil from Brian at Cooper Fuels.

I (and everyone else in our club) have been running this oil at percentages as low as 12% with great results and at those ratios it works out cheaper (per gallon of fuel) than those other "expensive" oils -- plus you get the benefits of having more methanol so you get more power and cooler running.

When a flier visting our club on the weekend put a tank full through is OS 46FX he was very pleasantly surprised. A mix of 14% Cooper Fuels Liquifire Plus C, 5% nitromethane and 81% methanol outperformed his CoolPower 10% fuel easily. He also remarked at how quiet the engine idled and how smooth it was.

That mirrors our own experiences.



TimC -> RE: using other oil alternitves (1/22/2007 4:03:20 AM)

XJet, I tried a search for "Liquifire" and all I could come up with was a cooking fuel used when camping. It seems to be a registered trademark of this company. No mention of it at the Cooper Fuels web site.



XJet -> RE: using other oil alternitves (1/22/2007 8:41:19 AM)

Cooper don't actually list their oils on the website but they do give some information under Airplane Fuels. It's the oil used in their Plus and Plus C fuel mixture. You may have to email them to get a price and local outlet for just the oil on its own.



Jim Thomerson -> RE: using other oil alternitves (1/22/2007 2:20:07 PM)

Some one onnce told me that Wesson brand cooking oil would mix. [:-]



RaceCity -> RE: using other oil alternitves (1/22/2007 7:18:35 PM)

Jim that depends. Italian engines benefit from a nice extra-virgin olive oil.



BHogue -> RE: using other oil alternitves (1/22/2007 11:45:46 PM)

thanks xjet i looked at the sight looks great. anything thats cheaper and still protects is a good thing. happy r/c ing



Kweasel -> RE: using other oil alternitves (1/23/2007 10:16:01 AM)

Never tried common vegetable oils, I suppose that they would work to some degree. I have had success with gas turbine oil and PAG oil that used in refrigeration systems. I only tried these alternatives because they were free for me at the time. CoolPower sells oil to go-kart people by the gallon and is the best cheapest oil I have found.



MassiveMods -> RE: using other oil alternitves (3/8/2007 5:01:45 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: XJet

Since you're in the USA, why not buy some Liquifire oil from Brian at Cooper Fuels.

I (and everyone else in our club) have been running this oil at percentages as low as 12% with great results and at those ratios it works out cheaper (per gallon of fuel) than those other "expensive" oils -- plus you get the benefits of having more methanol so you get more power and cooler running.

When a flier visting our club on the weekend put a tank full through is OS 46FX he was very pleasantly surprised. A mix of 14% Cooper Fuels Liquifire Plus C, 5% nitromethane and 81% methanol outperformed his CoolPower 10% fuel easily. He also remarked at how quiet the engine idled and how smooth it was.

That mirrors our own experiences.



Yep ! Brian has the good oil alright !



Night Scream -> RE: using other oil alternitves (4/17/2007 3:43:55 AM)

Hi:

I've been using klotz or castor oil i buy at a race shop in my town, but they prices are insanely high everytime i need to buy a quart..
Is there another type of oil alternative i could use?

Maybe one of those car synthetic oils? I tried searchign for the liquifire oil mentioned here, but its basically the same price as the klotz or castor oil in that race shop.

Has any one tried using one of those synthetic oils made for car engines or trannies? and mixing it with glow fuels?



XJet -> RE: using other oil alternitves (4/17/2007 6:23:32 AM)

None of the oils designed for automotive use will mix with methanol.

Don't forget however, that even though Liquifire oil may be the same price as Klotz, you can use a much smaller percentage so (per gallon of fuel) it works out cheaper.

I'm running my engines on fuel blended with 12% Coopers Plus C Liquifire and they scream. After at least four gallons through my TT46Pro and two gallons through my Saito 100 I've seen absolutely no sign of wear. Our whole club runs this mixture now and we've had *zero* problems.

And it makes for a much cleaner model at the end of the day -- especially now that the days are getting colder down here and castor oil is almost impossible to remove because it gets so thick and sticky at lower temps.



Jim Thomerson -> RE: using other oil alternitves (4/17/2007 2:52:00 PM)

On another forum someone mentioned getting castor oil by the quart or gallon from a horse supply place. Not sure what they use it for.



Sport_Pilot -> RE: using other oil alternitves (4/17/2007 7:24:28 PM)

Oil used as a horse laxitive may not be good for engine oil! It may be Bakers A or worse.



RCPAUL -> RE: using other oil alternitves (4/17/2007 7:48:20 PM)

If my memory serves me, Dave Geirke (sp?) did a test of several alternate oils many years ago in (I think) Flying Models. I don't remember the results, but I think Linseed Oil was one that got tested.

Paul



GhostRider32 -> RE: using other oil alternitves (5/8/2007 3:20:13 AM)

Emailed Mobil and asked them if their Racing 2T 2 stroke would mix with methanol and this is the reply I got.


Thank you for your inquiry.

We expect Mobil 1 Motorcycle Racing 2T will mix with methanol. We do not
have data of the performance of Racing 2T in methanol applications.

Technical Support Engineer (WJF)


I may give it a try.



brewski -> RE: using other oil alternitves (5/8/2007 4:59:46 AM)

Have you seen this? http://www.vpracingfuels.com/rc3.html

$70 + shipping for 5 gallons. It is a synthetic/castor blend. It states that it is for mixing with methanol. After shipping it should be ~$20 per gallon. That is as good as I have found.



GhostRider32 -> RE: using other oil alternitves (5/8/2007 12:56:00 PM)

Yes, I saw that link and have though about that too. It would be a little cheaper that way but I'm not sure I want 5 gallons. I don't guess it would ruin though.



brewski -> RE: using other oil alternitves (5/8/2007 1:36:54 PM)

I noticed you are in NE Texas. I'll be there this weekend. There is a hobby shop near Greenville that has two gallons of nitromethane for $80 if you have a need. I bought 2 gallons this week so I am okay for now.



GhostRider32 -> RE: using other oil alternitves (5/8/2007 2:20:07 PM)

Thx. :)



catman coulon -> RE: using other oil alternitves (9/2/2007 5:13:12 PM)

hi guys been chatting to some mates who also have long periods between flying , am going to try a short run ,2 minutes, at end of the day no nitro, 30 castor.70 methanol, should help with nitrous acid on bearings etc. klots oil is great



speedster 1919 -> RE: using other oil alternitves (9/4/2007 12:45:42 PM)

Your in Alleybama which is Cool power country. You can buy Cool power 2 stroke blue (100% syn) or Cool power 2 stroke gold witch is (70% syn. 30% castor) for about $20 a gallon. I was paying $19 till Comet cart stopped carrying them and pushes Klotz 100 and 200 only at $8.50 a qt and this spring it was $6.95. I checked on European oils and at about $20-24 a qt they can keep the stuff.



sopwith -> RE: using other oil alternitves (11/26/2007 5:17:47 PM)

BHogue:
Since you live in Alabama, try some Morgan fuels green heavy 4 stroke oil. It is made for kart racing. It is cheaper than caster oil or anything else I have seen, and I use only 10% rather than 20%. I also use no nitro, and am experimenting with E85 and diesel fuel (new head on engine for diesel). I have never had an engine problem with only 10%, and having less oil improves the power since I use no nitro. In the hot summers here I have tried adding 10% water for cooling, but eventually came to a point where I just don't bother anymore, and still have no problems. Just run a bit rich and you are fine. Morgan fuels is there in Alabama, so should be easy to get. I order a 4 gallon case at a time and they pay the shipping to Colorado.
Another plus for this oil is it doesn't congeal in cold weather. I don't use caster oil anymore since I keep my planes in an un heated shed and the caster oil is like glue on the engines when it gets cold and makes it impossible to start in the winter. No such problem using Morgan fuels oil.

Good luck.



jeffie8696 -> RE: using other oil alternitves (2/11/2008 6:37:40 AM)

Believe it or not I just use medicinal castor from the local Wal Mart. Works great. I use it to fortify my off the shelf fuels for 1/2A engines.



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