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using other oil alternitves - 1/21/2007 6:03:41 PM   
BHogue


 

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Status: offline 		i run two strok engines. just now starting to use straight methynol no nitro. looking for a oil that i can use other than high dollar stuff. hi have tested several different oils and all seperate. thanks for any replies
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RE: using other oil alternitves - 1/22/2007 1:43:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's not really any choice other than the usual oils like Klotz etc that have been tried and proven. Most (if not all) the usual synthetics will have been developed for larger engines like snowmobiles, go-karts and so on and have been found to work quite well in our smaller engines using methanol. Synthetic gas turbine oils are very good but tend to be quite expensive. Castrol make a synthetic gear oil which is used extensively in England (MSSR and I think their ML 70 is a gear oil too) so if you're willing to take the chance with an engine you could try other brands of gear oils. Castor of course is the best but not medicinal castor.

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 1/22/2007 3:00:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		downunder i really appreciate you answering my question. i figured we were at the mercy of the mfg. ill tell ya i really love reading all the info in these forums i have learned a lot. HAPPY R/C ing.

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 1/22/2007 3:39:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since you're in the USA, why not buy some Liquifire oil from Brian at Cooper Fuels.

I (and everyone else in our club) have been running this oil at percentages as low as 12% with great results and at those ratios it works out cheaper (per gallon of fuel) than those other "expensive" oils -- plus you get the benefits of having more methanol so you get more power and cooler running.

When a flier visting our club on the weekend put a tank full through is OS 46FX he was very pleasantly surprised. A mix of 14% Cooper Fuels Liquifire Plus C, 5% nitromethane and 81% methanol outperformed his CoolPower 10% fuel easily. He also remarked at how quiet the engine idled and how smooth it was.

That mirrors our own experiences.

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 1/22/2007 4:03:20 AM   
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Status: online 		XJet, I tried a search for "Liquifire" and all I could come up with was a cooking fuel used when camping. It seems to be a registered trademark of this company. No mention of it at the Cooper Fuels web site.

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 1/22/2007 8:41:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Cooper don't actually list their oils on the website but they do give some information under Airplane Fuels. It's the oil used in their Plus and Plus C fuel mixture. You may have to email them to get a price and local outlet for just the oil on its own.

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 1/22/2007 2:20:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Some one onnce told me that Wesson brand cooking oil would mix.

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 1/22/2007 7:18:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jim that depends. Italian engines benefit from a nice extra-virgin olive oil.

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 1/22/2007 11:45:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		thanks xjet i looked at the sight looks great. anything thats cheaper and still protects is a good thing. happy r/c ing

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 1/23/2007 10:16:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Never tried common vegetable oils, I suppose that they would work to some degree. I have had success with gas turbine oil and PAG oil that used in refrigeration systems. I only tried these alternatives because they were free for me at the time. CoolPower sells oil to go-kart people by the gallon and is the best cheapest oil I have found.

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 3/8/2007 5:01:45 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: XJet

Since you're in the USA, why not buy some Liquifire oil from Brian at Cooper Fuels.

I (and everyone else in our club) have been running this oil at percentages as low as 12% with great results and at those ratios it works out cheaper (per gallon of fuel) than those other "expensive" oils -- plus you get the benefits of having more methanol so you get more power and cooler running.

When a flier visting our club on the weekend put a tank full through is OS 46FX he was very pleasantly surprised. A mix of 14% Cooper Fuels Liquifire Plus C, 5% nitromethane and 81% methanol outperformed his CoolPower 10% fuel easily. He also remarked at how quiet the engine idled and how smooth it was.

That mirrors our own experiences.



Yep ! Brian has the good oil alright !

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 4/17/2007 3:43:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi:

I've been using klotz or castor oil i buy at a race shop in my town, but they prices are insanely high everytime i need to buy a quart..
Is there another type of oil alternative i could use?

Maybe one of those car synthetic oils? I tried searchign for the liquifire oil mentioned here, but its basically the same price as the klotz or castor oil in that race shop.

Has any one tried using one of those synthetic oils made for car engines or trannies? and mixing it with glow fuels?

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 4/17/2007 6:23:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		None of the oils designed for automotive use will mix with methanol.

Don't forget however, that even though Liquifire oil may be the same price as Klotz, you can use a much smaller percentage so (per gallon of fuel) it works out cheaper.

I'm running my engines on fuel blended with 12% Coopers Plus C Liquifire and they scream. After at least four gallons through my TT46Pro and two gallons through my Saito 100 I've seen absolutely no sign of wear. Our whole club runs this mixture now and we've had *zero* problems.

And it makes for a much cleaner model at the end of the day -- especially now that the days are getting colder down here and castor oil is almost impossible to remove because it gets so thick and sticky at lower temps.

< Message edited by XJet -- 4/17/2007 6:24:02 AM >

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 4/17/2007 2:52:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		On another forum someone mentioned getting castor oil by the quart or gallon from a horse supply place. Not sure what they use it for.

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RE: using other oil alternitves - 4/17/2007 7:24:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oil used as a horse laxitive may not be good for engine oil! It may be Bakers A or worse.

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