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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 2/28/2008 7:56:07 PM   
evan-RCU



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I was only pointing out the ratings, I agree the Mega motor should handle the power especially out in the airflow. Our club field requires AMA unfortunately. Now if we did this when no one else was around, who'd know right? Our "field" is behind Lowes motor speedway. Maybe later in the day on Saturday or Sunday? That's when the winds are down and would be best anyway.

Either way I'd like to see it when you fly it, looks very interesting.

I think raising the motor WILL help, I also think down elevon will not be a bad thing to get it to fly straight and level. maybe a mix from motor to elevator to increase down trim as more throttle is applied will help?

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 2/28/2008 8:14:14 PM   
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evan-RCU,

Thank you very much. Sorry for the delay in my reply. I was typing up something.

Although I live far away (below Charlotte), I come to Concord once per week or two.

The maiden might be in about 2 weeks at most...I hope...due to other factors.

I will definitely chat with you later in a PM.


Regarding the mix: The Co-pilot does that automatically. It uses 4 infra red sensors to keep plane level, so it gives any input needed for plane to fly level. I fly with it in the on position but have the gain control set way down so it does not fight my inputs. I don't remember using any down elevator during 125 MPH radar run 5 ft off the deck.


Thanks again,

Gryphon

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 2/29/2008 6:24:24 PM   
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Maybe you can make it up there on the 15th. I'm trying to pin things down Evan so we can do a pylon goof off day.


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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 3/1/2008 2:24:34 AM   
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....Gryphon ....Welcome to the Brotherhood of Speed Freaks....

Revver Bro #213 is yours....

Rev on, my Brothers.

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 3/1/2008 5:02:05 AM   
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Happy to find this forum!!!! I am Andy.....Fly200. I am in need of a plane......preferrably an electric that will fly near 200mph. Not pylon planes. Would be happy with 150mph too. Does anyone know such a plane....gas or electric. Oh, and I prefer it be bigger than 40" wingspan so I can see it. Just crashed my Cermark F-16 today after engine stall. Hoping to find something in a jet frame??? I keep hearing about a MagnumR or something???? Any vid.

Thanks all. I hope this forum can help me.

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 3/1/2008 5:26:09 AM   
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vicman,

It would be my honor to meet both of you guys.
My ESC needed to be looked over and it is way over due for getting back into me hands. I was questioning its early cutoff...long story. Hope to have it soon.

Less than 2 hours of work left. Leave it to me to drag that out over the next 2 weeks....no, I'm not that bad.

I'll be in touch.
I would also like to go after my AMA membership renewal.

Take it easy vicman,

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Thank you for accepting and welcoming me into your Brotherhood of Speed Freaks.

Revver Bro #213, I like the sound of that.
Reminds me of seeing 38,000 RPM on my Hyperion E-meter a few months ago.
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Have fun,

Gryphon

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 200 Members already ! - 3/1/2008 1:37:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: vworley

Hi, my name is Victor, and I am a Speed Plane Addict.
I have been a Lover of Speed Planes for 25 yrs,
and with the help of the Revvers Brother-hood I hope to
make my planes even FASTER !!!
Don't let my wife/girlfriend see this....I promised her I
would "tame it down a bit". : ( heh heh heh )

Signed Victor

I'll have to post some pictures when I get / find them.

Mainly, I fly 500 sq" planes and a diamond dust.


.....Whoops, my bad....

....Victor....(vworley).....is Revver Bro # 212.

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 3/1/2008 4:07:12 PM   
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FlyboyDave, Wouldn't it be great if we could group at the AMA National Flying site in Muncie,Indiana for a "Revver-Bro" blow-out! A 3 day event where we could all meet and tell big lies and pass out sedatives at the end of each day's flying?

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 3/1/2008 6:20:37 PM   
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I think i f the AMA saw how 1/2 of us fly they would yank our cards!!!!

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 3/1/2008 10:44:58 PM   
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You have a good point but the half that you are talking about does not include us....right? Can't be any worse than a Q500 or Q40 event. Even a Piper Cub will do some harm.

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 3/6/2008 6:33:54 PM   
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Hello speed racers. I just finished building my 55" wingspan Spitfire. I want to know what I can do to make it go faster. I think it tops out at about 90-100mph right now. Here is my setup:

320kv brushless motor capable over 1300 watts (max 55 amp bursts)
2x 4cell 5000mah lipo in series (30 volts)
80 amp esc
14x12 apc e-prop
7 lbs RTF weight

I'm getting about 7-8 minutes of flight time with aggressive flying with that above setup. What can I do to get more speed? I thought with the power of the motor, it would break 100mph easy. I've seen guys at the field with warbirds that go 135mph, confirmed via a radar gun. But that's gas. I'd like to get my electric going that fast. Any help or tips would be much appreciated.

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 3/6/2008 7:33:09 PM   
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Hi there twinbrother,

The relationship between power and speed is close to cubic.

To go 15% faster, here is how much more power a person might need:
1.15 X 1.15 X 1.15 = 1.52 so it takes just over 50% more power while at MAX SPEED to fly 15% faster.

Assuming that you now fly at 95 MPH and want to get to 135 MPH:
135 MPH / 95 MPH = 1.42 so you want 42% more speed
1.42 X 1.42 X 1.42 = 2.86 you need to nearly triple your power.

3 times the power is not ridiculous; I am running 27 times the power of what I started with. Changed 40-45 MPH to 130 MPH.
Now I'm going for 30+ times the power....call that ridiculous, be brave and keep reading.


********* To get you the best advice we need to know a little more information.

1) Can you provide us with a wattmeter reading? Borrow a meter at the field and place it in line with your battery and ESC.
Please note if that reading is with a battery fresh off of charger or one with battery that has just been run down 5%-15%(more useful I believe). Discharge in air to keep components from overheating, but fly for no more than 1/2 min full throttle (or equivalent) besides taxing. Disregard numbers on meter from first 2 or 3 seconds.

2) As needed would you be willing to change any components?

3) More info on the brand names and model numbers of your motor/battery/ESC, links will be good too if you can.
We can use that info to run simulations by looking up the resistance value for your motor and its idle current, looking up the "C" rating for your batteries, looking up the burst rating of your ESC, etc....

4) Often we push past the ratings of manufacturers because we know that they are way too conservative at times. Would you be willing to do so or you will not consider it?

5) How warm or hot do your various parts appear to you after your landings? If needed are you able to provide 2 things for your parts? a) More incoming air, b) More room for that air to exit.

6) Your tentative budget.

7) Do you want to a)fly only as fast as your current parts allow, or b)as much as your budget allows, or c)you want to get to 135 MPH in level flight with no wind even if the required budget if a little more than yours?


Answers to above questions will help you get better answers that you will be happier with. Answer what you can.


Later,

Gryphon

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RE: Speed Freaks Wanted- Over 150 Members already ! - 3/6/2008 8:11:40 PM   
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1) Can you provide us with a wattmeter reading? Borrow a meter at the field and place it in line with your battery and ESC.
Please note if that reading is with a battery fresh off of charger or one with battery that has just been run down 5%-15%(more useful I believe). Discharge in air to keep components from overheating, but fly for no more than 1/2 min full throttle (or equivalent) besides taxing. Disregard numbers on meter from first 2 or 3 seconds.
- I don't have a watt meter, but will be getting one on my next order of RC stuff. I will deliver the numbers once I get