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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 3/14/2012 3:43 PM   
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Hi all i'm from the uk and currently have a bug crusher pro, which i believe is the same as the vocano.  Problem is i've just blown the team infinity engine.  Instead of repairing the engine I would like to install something with a bit more power.  Ive been looking everywhere and cant seem to work out which one i need.  What type of crank do i require so as not to replace clutch etc?.  standard or sg???

Are there any better engines than the .18 team infinity engine that are a direct drop in replacement that i can keep my clutch and exhaust etc. 

The team infinity .18 engine over here is about £80..../.....

ive read os .21tm and traxass 3.3 are the same but i cannot confirm this data.


please help i have a need for speed!!!


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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 3/25/2012 3:29 AM   
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUVHMZTBUIw&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 3/29/2012 10:23 PM   
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Anyone got any idea of what manifold/header ican use to fit a .18SH  rear exhaust engine in a volcano?? My original engine is shot and I have a rear sh engine sat waiting but cant seem to find a manifold that will sit close to the engine and pass the shock.. I now i might have to remove a shock. but what manifold fits.

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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 3/31/2012 2:43 PM   
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Does any body now whate battery connection the twister xtg pro & twister xtg have from factory.


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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 3/31/2012 4:39 PM   
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I just bought a Twister XTG Pro within the last month or so.  It has Deans connectors when I received it.

Also had a Deans to Tamiya adapter for charging batteries not running the car.  I made my own Deans to Tamiya for running the car on NiMh batt's I had.

Car does pretty good with NiMh or 2s Lipo.  3s Lipo make the car really hard to handle.




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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/1/2012 1:58 AM   
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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/9/2012 12:19 AM   
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My volcano's engine was not broken in properly, as it locked up really bad on the first tank, and the I couldn't fix it.  The next day I left on a 2 week camping trip and the engine sat full of fuel.  Its been jumped into a river, ran forever with no fuel filter, lived its first few months with no after run oil, and generally abused.  Inside, the piston and cylinder don't have any visible scratches/blemishes.  It has some orange crap I thought was corrosion from the fuel, but I've since been told its just oil residue and nothing to worry about.  The engine starts up, and seems to have good power, but it will sometimes flame out at idle and be nearly impossible to restart.  When this happens the engine seems to have no compression (pull start just unrolls with little tension, but you can see the flywheel go round), and if I let it cool for 5-10 min and then restart, it fires up and runs nicely.  I've been told this means the engine is worn out (poor compression at operating temp), but the problem is sporadic.  Today I did some nice high speed runs, over 2 tanks worth, and it worked no problem.  Then, I had the dreaded flame-out, cooled the engine, and got going again after blistering my fingers on the pull start.  I'd say its tuning, but as far as I can tell its running on the rich side, so I don't know why it would act like it is overheating.  Any opinions on the motor?  Would putting up a video of the sound be helpful?

Also, I have the HPI A886 clutch shoes: http://www.activepowersports.com/product_images/n/184/hpic3886__37111_zoom.jpg
 with the stock redcat bell, and something is slipping like crazy.  On a 15 degree sand incline I floored the throttle from a standstill, and nothing happened.  The engine revved up pretty high, but the truck failed to move.  The acceleration is also crap, even in loose sand it won't spin the wheels, even though I can hear the engine hit max RPM in seconds.  I have the 44T direct drive tranny in it, so there is no slipper clutch to worry about.  The shoes are pretty new, so I don't know what is going on.  Is it possible for the inside of the clutch bell to be worn too smooth, or is that not an issue?  Would aluminum shoes help with the slipping, or an I better off with a different material?  The plastic redcat shoes seem to suck, but I don't know what to replace them with since the HPI ones seem to be even worse.

For lower gearing, I'm looking at a 13 tooth HPI bell, here: http://www.hpieurope.com/piw.php?lang=en&partNo=77103
If I could get down to 12 or even 11 teeth, I'd be tempted to try, but I don't know what kinds of bells will fit the Volcano.  I'm assuming the Savage bells will fit, but I'm not sure.  Any suggestions?

As to the clutch, I'm hoping aluminum shoes will grab harder than the teflon, and maybe not suck as bad.  I don't know what kinds of aluminum clutches will fit, other than the redcat one here: http://www.urchobby.com/proddetail.php?prod=02048M
Recommendations?

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Would this Integy clutch shoe set perform any better than the redcat, or are they basically the same thing?  http://h1070530.hobbyshopnow.com/products/description.asp?prod=INTT3626
Also, how would I tell which (if any) of these clutch bells would fit my truck?



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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/9/2012 1:53 AM   
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My volcano's engine was not broken in properly, as it locked up really bad on the first tank, and the I couldn't fix it.  The next day I left on a 2 week camping trip and the engine sat full of fuel.  Its been jumped into a river, ran forever with no fuel filter, lived its first few months with no after run oil, and generally abused.  Inside, the piston and cylinder don't have any visible scratches/blemishes.  It has some orange crap I thought was corrosion from the fuel, but I've since been told its just oil residue and nothing to worry about.  The engine starts up, and seems to have good power, but it will sometimes flame out at idle and be nearly impossible to restart.  When this happens the engine seems to have no compression (pull start just unrolls with little tension, but you can see the flywheel go round), and if I let it cool for 5-10 min and then restart, it fires up and runs nicely.  I've been told this means the engine is worn out (poor compression at operating temp), but the problem is sporadic.  Today I did some nice high speed runs, over 2 tanks worth, and it worked no problem.  Then, I had the dreaded flame-out, cooled the engine, and got going again after blistering my fingers on the pull start.  I'd say its tuning, but as far as I can tell its running on the rich side, so I don't know why it would act like it is overheating.  Any opinions on the motor?  Would putting up a video of the sound be helpful?

Also, I have the HPI A886 clutch shoes: http://www.activepowersports.com/product_images/n/184/hpic3886__37111_zoom.jpg
 with the stock redcat bell, and something is slipping like crazy.  On a 15 degree sand incline I floored the throttle from a standstill, and nothing happened.  The engine revved up pretty high, but the truck failed to move.  The acceleration is also crap, even in loose sand it won't spin the wheels, even though I can hear the engine hit max RPM in seconds.  I have the 44T direct drive tranny in it, so there is no slipper clutch to worry about.  The shoes are pretty new, so I don't know what is going on.  Is it possible for the inside of the clutch bell to be worn too smooth, or is that not an issue?  Would aluminum shoes help with the slipping, or an I better off with a different material?  The plastic redcat shoes seem to suck, but I don't know what to replace them with since the HPI ones seem to be even worse.

For lower gearing, I'm looking at a 13 tooth HPI bell, here: http://www.hpieurope.com/piw.php?lang=en&partNo=77103
If I could get down to 12 or even 11 teeth, I'd be tempted to try, but I don't know what kinds of bells will fit the Volcano.  I'm assuming the Savage bells will fit, but I'm not sure.  Any suggestions?

As to the clutch, I'm hoping aluminum shoes will grab harder than the teflon, and maybe not suck as bad.  I don't know what kinds of aluminum clutches will fit, other than the redcat one here: http://www.urchobby.com/proddetail.php?prod=02048M
Recommendations?

Thanks,

Kristoffer

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Would this Integy clutch shoe set perform any better than the redcat, or are they basically the same thing?  http://h1070530.hobbyshopnow.com/products/description.asp?prod=INTT3626
Also, how would I tell which (if any) of these clutch bells would fit my truck?


What your describing about your engine certainly leads to a cooked motor, until you said you ran it for two tanks.  Very confused on this.  When you have no pinch left in the sleave, it will usually start up fine when cold and run ok under mild acceleration until you get into the revs or get it warm, then it just falls flat on it's face and will bog down and stall.  Not really sure what your problem is here but if your able to run it for two tanks then you might just have a weak glow plug or a tuning issue.  I would at the very least elliminate the two and replace the plug and retune from factory and then try to troubleshoot the problem with these two things out of the picture.  

As far as the clutch shoes go, the plastic one's will give you great grip, I would stick with those.  I'm not sure about the integy one's, but the HPI clutch shoes are almost identical.  The Savage clutch bells will fit your Volcano .  You have the SH .18 right?  I know it fits the SH engine, not sure about the VX engine.  I run these clutch bells on my Tornado.  I am using an HPI 18t Savage bell right now on it.

You said it's just reving on an incline.  Does it drive fine on flat ground?  It could be a number of things.  Besides the possibility of the clutch shoes, are your center dog bones slipping at the diffs?  Check your grub screws.  Do you have a stripped diff?  Is it reving under any condition - stripped spur gear?



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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/9/2012 5:52 AM   
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As far as the clutch shoes go, the plastic one's will give you great grip, I would stick with those.  I'm not sure about the integy one's, but the HPI clutch shoes are almost identical.  The Savage clutch bells will fit your Volcano .  You have the SH .18 right?  I know it fits the SH engine, not sure about the VX engine.  I run these clutch bells on my Tornado.  I am using an HPI 18t Savage bell right now on it.


I can get another set of plastic redcat shoes, but for only a few dollars difference, would the aluminum perform differently?  Yeah, I have an SH 18.  How does an 18T bell work on the SH 18?  Do you have the stock Volcano center tranny, or a different one?  I have the direct-drive like in the Shockwave, and I think my 16T bell makes it geared a little high, so I'm thinking 12T or 13T will give some better low end good power.

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You said it's just reving on an incline.  Does it drive fine on flat ground?  It could be a number of things.  Besides the possibility of the clutch shoes, are your center dog bones slipping at the diffs?  Check your grub screws.  Do you have a stripped diff?  Is it reving under any condition - stripped spur gear?


It drives ok on level, in grass/sand and other rough terrain it runs kinda slow, even though the engine sounds like its revving pretty well.  On hard pack/concrete, the engine revs up pretty quick, but the truck accelerates slowly.  The top end isn't what it used to be with a new motor and all stock gearing, but its still up there.  Since it does go I assume the grub screws/drive cups are all fine and I know the spur is brand new.  When I hold it in the air the tires get up to speed and balloon up pretty quick, so I assume its just a stupid clutch that is failing to transfer the power when its pulling against  the weight of the truck..  Again, since it drives a little and seems to work when held in the air, I'm making the assumption that the diffs are still good too.

As for the engine, I have no idea.  I'll try the glow plug and a retune from factory settings next weekend when I get some time, and see what happens.


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Kristoffer, I just realized why your burning up clutches.  If you put the Shockwave tranny in your Volcano and your still running large monster truck size tires, the gear ratio is way too high.  The Shokwave tranny with the 44t spur is not big enough to turn those tires off the line without cooking your clutch.  This was the main reason I had to put the Volcano tranny in my Tornado when I put bigger tires on it.  It will run ok once it gets going but it's too much strain on the clutch to get it moving.

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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/10/2012 3:42 AM   
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Hmm, ok.  How many teeth would I want on the clutch bell to compensate for the increased gearing?  Is 12 sufficiently low, or should I try to fit a 49T  or even bigger spur gear into the Shockwave tranny in addition to a smaller clutch bell?  ie. a savage spur or something?

I figured it was geared a little high, but if that's the problem, its CRAZY high.

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Hmm, ok.  How many teeth would I want on the clutch bell to compensate for the increased gearing?  Is 12 sufficiently low, or should I try to fit a 49T  or even bigger spur gear into the Shockwave tranny in addition to a smaller clutch bell?  ie. a savage spur or something?

I figured it was geared a little high, but if that's the problem, its CRAZY high.

Thanks for your help,

Kristoffer

I did a lot of research when I converted my Tornado.  First I ran it with the bigger tires.  Stock 1st gear spur was a 47 tooth, I think the clutch was a 15t in first and 17t in second.  After looking into the Shockwave tranny, I contacted Redcat to see if they had a larger spur that would fit that tranny, the answer was no.  Since the diff gears are the same size as my HPI MT2, I wanted gearing similar to it, which was 52t spur with a 14t bell.  Since 44t was the largest spur available I figured I would need at least a 11t bell which I didn't think existed.  So this is what led me to going with the Volcano tranny.  Since my 2.8 size buggy tires are not as tall as the Volcano tires, I didn't need such a small clutch bell.  Right now I have the stock spur in the Volcano with a HPI 18t bell and it runs great all over the RPM range.  Since you already have the Shockwave tranny in, I would try the smallest clutch bell you could find and go from there.  A 12t might just do it.  It will certainly be a big difference from the 16t bell.  In the end, it may not give you the performance your looking for, but it will certainly help your clutch out.


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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/10/2012 4:31 AM   
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Honestly, I thought the bottom end with the Volcano tranny was lacking These say they fit in all HPI engines, which includes the Savage.  The savage, and the Savage cluthbell fits the SH 18.  So for 6 dollars, I think I will try one and see what happens.

Failing that, I'll get a 13T savage clutch bell (not from that store, their price sucks and they don't even have it in stock), and try that.  If it STILL doesn't work, I think a 47T savage spur gear could be jammed into the Shockwave tranny with a little bit of dremel work, maybe even a few teeth larger.  Then, with at least a 13T clutch bell and a 47T spur, it should be a little better.

EDIT:  Also, a lot of people on RCU have said that this direct drive conversion from All About Fun Hobbies is an inprovement in both top AND bottem end, because its geared a little higher, and removes all the frition and rotational mass of the Volcano gearbox.  It is a shockwave tranny and 13T bell, so I'd be inclined to think that a 13T bell could even work with the unmodified shockwave tranny.



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I agree the Shockwave tranny is better than the Volcano tranny, I just had a feeling the stock 44 tooth spur was not going to be big enough.  Also looking at the size of my HPI spur, I didn't think it would fit into the Shockwave tranny.  If you can make it work, let me know, I'd love to have that direct drive tranny instead of a related one that self destructs.

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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/16/2012 3:09 PM   
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will the sh .21 engine work in the volcano? think i blew my engine yesterday and if i need to replace it wanted to see if the bigger engine will work for it.


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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/17/2012 2:03 AM   
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The SH .21 should fit on the stock chassis, if that is your question. I believe you will need new motor mounts, and all the .21 SH motors I've seen are rear exhaust, so you will need a new header and possibly a new pipe. Also, that motor is a slide carb, so you will need to find some clever way to adapt your servo linkage to open the carb. Finally, I don't know if your flywheel/clutch parts will fit on the .21. I'd assume they would, but if someone more knowledgeable than myself could confirm, that'd be great.

So short answer: yes it will work, but it will take some mods. You can get some ideas here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsvoJEa0GxU
However, the aluminum suspension arms are somewhat (ok, more than somewhat) counter-intuitive. They are expensive, they bend, and even if they hold they just transfer the force of impact to the next weakest piece. I'd rather spend 10 minutes and $3 and change an A-Arm, than either have a bent aluminum arm or a broken diff casing. Other than that, that video seems to have some solid mods.

HobbyHot seems to have the best price on SH engines of anyone out there, although they don't currently have the .21 in stock. The tuned pipe for the .21 engine and the engine itself are here (sorry, somewhat hyperlink retarded at the moment, I managed to switch to the bbcode editor and I don't like it):
http://www.hobbyhot.com/HSP-Model-081009-1-8-Tuned-Exhaust-Pipe-Header.html
http://www.hobbyhot.com/SH-ENGINES-Model-21-Nitro-Engine-3.48cc-for-RC-Car-Buggy-Truck-Truggy.html

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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/17/2012 6:15 PM   
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Just got my volcano epx and it was running great, then yesterday it wouldn't go in reverse. Now today it runs great in reverse but won't go forward. I have messed with any settings, so what could possibly be wrong and what can I do????

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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 4/26/2012 10:24 PM   
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Im the new owner of the Volcano EPX Pro, I seem to have an issue with the tuck it will work fine for a few minutes but then when you give full throttle it will surge for a little bit then it will take off at full speen then bog back down. I have read on here some thing close to this and I have replaced the battery but it still seems to have the same issue. I know its not the batteries because i will use that same battery on my traxxas and it runs just fine. any suggestions on what could be the issue??????? any help would be awesome. Thank you in advance.

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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 11/6/2012 3:05 AM   
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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 11/6/2012 6:43 PM   
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Lipo batteries will get you really go performance.  I have a Volcano S30 that originally had a SH.18 on it. changed it to a OS.21. And not finally converted to a Brushless truck with a 1/8 size motor. Adn so far it is faster then any setup on it so far!!  Runs nicer as electric.

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RE: Redcat Racing Volcano Thread - 1/1/2013 4:33 PM   
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 Happy new year all. 
My question is 
How long should bushing last before they need to be changed, i use them in the rear and they seem to go fast, is there something wrong or is that normal to wear faster than bearings? 
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Do you have the volcano sv? As far as I know, the s30 has no bushings. Well, except the brass one on the flywheel.

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 I have the epx pro. I thought it said to use bushing with the al upgraded arms or whatever they are called.

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Hmm. I'm not entirely sure what "it" is, lol. What instructions are you reading?

The stub axle, the little metal thing the wheel bolts onto, rides on 2 bearings in the hub carrier. Are these bearings what you are going to replace with bushings?

Also, there is a small plastic bushing where the ball joint connects to the hub carrier. But I'm not sure how you'd replace that with a bearing anyway. Where on the truck would these bushings go?

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 Yes the hub carrier, with the 2 bearings, when it was stock it had 2 bearings like you are talking about, but when i upgraded to aluminium hub carriers i thought i was told to use bushings, should i still be using bearing? Thanks for your help!

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