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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/3/2007 6:19 PM

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Just had a look at AH Design pilots. WOW! Bit the bullet and ordered 1/2 scale for my Pup.
Tom, magnificent work. Can't wait to see pictures of it in the air!
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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/3/2007 6:37 PM

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yes the fuse is welded alluminum. my kit is from scratch. i blew up proctor plans with their permission. i was hoping to compete at top gun with her this year, but i wanted to scale her out 100% first. i dont think it will make it. i am finishing a jet instead and will get my feet wet this year and take the eIII next year. barry

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/4/2007 1:58 AM

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Hey Tom,
It's Fred Menna, your old competition buddy!! I have known Tom for years and have competed against him many times. Usually I'm standing below him at the end of the meet. LOL Tom's is one of the great WW I builders and flyers. He is one of those individuals who will spend hrs. talking about how He fabricates the many little details on his models. He is very knowledgeable about his subjects and always comes up with something new and different. Tom, you have outdone yourself this time. Good luck in the upcoming competition season and hope we can fly together again soon.
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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/4/2007 7:46 AM

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You sir are an artist. That is amazing work.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/5/2007 1:48 PM

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Hi Guys! In response to Dave on the pilots, Thanks for sending link. I was not awear that they made a half scale. I will order one also. Thanks. And to Barry, WOW that E111 sure looks huge! You are lucky to have such a large building area. I have to take the landing gear and tail off mine to get it out of my shop. Also the wing is hanging above my 14 ft. building table, I don't know how I'm gonna get it out off the shop yet! I'll probably inlarge my cellar window at the end of the shop. FRED, Wow sure is nice to here from you. It's been a long time. Yes we've had much fun flying against each other over the years. Thanks for the gracous words, and for checking out my build. But this one won't be for competition, only display and fun flights, HOPEFULLY. Hope to see you this summer! Grant Ed , Thanks for looking, so much more to do, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/5/2007 1:57 PM

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Hello, I found some more pic's I took last year off the plane out side. It will give you a better perspective of it's size. For half scale it really is not that big for the real aircraft was rather small. Again thanks for looking, Questions and comments always enjoyed and welcome, Thanks Guys, Tom P.S. Thats one of my boys posing with the fokker he was 15 in this shot, His name is Nathan.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/5/2007 2:07 PM

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Here are some more construction photo's. These are of the fuel gauge and hood covering it. I made the gauge housing out of a medicine bottle bottom. I lucked out it was the perfect size, Ya gotta save stuff like that. The rest was brass and plastic. I got the face print out from Glenn. Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/5/2007 2:22 PM

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Here I have some landing gear shots. The aluminum strut material was made by Acheim Engels in germany. He made some rollers to exstrude the aluminum to it's propper shape. He has a build on the aerodrome site, This guy is the best, Actually unbelievable what he is doing. He is building Fokker D-7's, E111's and D-8's, All at the same time. And he is doing it in the way Fokker did in 1918. Check it out. I used full scale turnbuckles from aircraft sruce for the cross cable structure. That is what holds the gear together for strenght. The conections to the fuse are a ball and socket like the full size. The rest of the gear is plywood and aluminum tube. Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 12:50 AM

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Now I have finished alot of the teedious work in the cockpit, The gauges. I've already shown you the compass and throttle quadrant. Here I have the tach. selector switch and fuel gauge. The selector switch glenn provided me the base and front plates. I then made the rest of it out of balsa block and some dowls along with pc board stock. The tachcometer is made from main body balsa block shaped, some brass, aluminum, ply and nuts and bolts and a little paint and a whole lot of time thrown in for finishers. Next I have to make the mounting systems for all these. I have to tackle the control stick column top section soon, FUN! Would love to here from you guys! Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 12:59 AM

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Tom,
its looking great. I will be over so you can build up some 1/4 item for partice, then you can make the 1/2 scales items.. lol

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 5:32 AM

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Looks great! I have a question though. Do you have a trick for getting the rib tapes to lay down properly on the trailing edge? I am just finishing my 1\4 DVII and am having trouble with this. Any tips would be great.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 1:22 PM

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Hi V.G. What is the material you are using? Sig coverall? GTM fabric? Are you using dope? Are the tapes cotton? To get them to seal on that curve is not easy. How many coats of dope do you have on first? Did you use the nitrate first than the buyterate second? Let me know what you did. Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 5:22 PM

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Howdy Tom,
Look'n really good , had no idea you had all those other little goodies. Great job.

What are you going to use to do the streaking on the wing?? I used the stain from Glenn and it
didn't work that well. First on test pieces the stain really wicked through the grain and looked very bad.
(1/4 scale streaking on full scale wood grain). It may not be as much of an issue on 1/2 scale.
What I did was have the ply color matched at Lowes and gave the wing a couple light coats to seal the grain.
Worked pretty good.
Next problem is the stain is not very stable, especially the green, it fades out very quick.
(The green faded out completely in one afternoon at the flying field).
The blue and purple did better, had to redo then after about six months. Being on the bottom of the wing and not in the direct light
porbably helped there.
The brown was the most stable of all, haven't had to retouch it yet.
I had the green matched as close as possable in Latex and it's been alright every since.
So, you might want to think of how you're going to handle this problem.
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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 7:15 PM

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Hi Del, I had heard all the trouble you were having with the stains and had pretty much decided I was going to try - on some test pieces first- to use a latex like you did on the green. Then I'll most likely clear coat the whole wing after it's done. I sure hope this will be the solution to this problem. But boy thats some time away still. I have to start thinking about my radio setup soon. I plan to run 2- 1/4 scale servo's on the elevator, and one on the rudder, simple that is what I want. I guess the servo's will be mounted just inside the fuse where the cables enter in the rear. Rather than run them way up the fuse. The belly will unlace as the full size incase I need to get to them. All the batteries will be on the fire wall. Nice to here from you, Your build looks GREAT!!! Keep up the good work, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 10:14 PM

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Tom and Del,
The ink/stain that you us must be UV rated. If you seal it under a clear coat it will still fade. Then you will have a problem to remove the clear coat and refinish the wing. That sounds about right 6 months for the color to fade out from the sun. If you would like some more info just ask.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 10:38 PM

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Hi Mark,
This stain came in a packet and was mixed with alcohol.
I did use a marine spar polyerothene which was supposed to have a good UV protection.
Didn't work too well.
You don't want to have to redo the wing every 6 months (at least I don't), so that's
why I figured to have the colors matched to latex enamel, you can thin and clean
up with water.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 11:10 PM

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Hey Del
Just make sure the Latex is UV rated. At work we use both UV and non UV latex enamal for our graphics panels.
Mark

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 11:17 PM

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Thanks Mark, will keep that in mind. I still used the spar poly when I redid the green and it's fine.
Didn't know there was an UV issue with latex. Guess I just lucked out.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/6/2007 11:27 PM

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Tom, you say you used full scale turnbuckles on your l/gear rigging. How big [or small] are these?. Turnbuckles are on my list of things to obtain but I will need about 24 of them. What is the cost of them?
Cheers, Dave.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/7/2007 12:07 AM

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Tom,

I am using Glenn's fabric with Randolph's dope. I have 2 coats of nitrate and 2 coats of butyrate. The rib tapes are 100% polyester which I dyed light blue with Rit dye. I was unable to locate anything other than polyester. The Rib tapes layed down fine and look great but when I started to go around the scalloped trailing edge they would not lay down easily. I am wondering if maybe I should glue them down somehow and then go back and dope over them? I am so close now I do not want to mess anything up and much of this is new to me.
Also I would like to go over the whole plane with Sig Flatcoat dope as the Randolph" seems to be somewhat glossy. This may be the way they really looked but I would prefer to eliminate the gloss. Sig had told me thier dope was compatible with Randolph's but if anyone has experience it would be nice to hear it.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/7/2007 1:34 AM

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V.G. When I did my d-7 I went to walmart and bought all the fabric needed in a pale blue 60% polly 40% cotton. I then doped the fabric laying flat on some wax paper. After it dryed I cut it into strips. I applied it with the byterate dope getting it wet through the fabric tape. I did not have any problems working it around or in the scolloped areas. I suggest working yours with the dope and using your fingers rubbing it in till it drys somewhat and does not lift. I'd try it. It' hard to suggest things when your not right there to see and try it for yourself, you know what I mean. Another thing would be to use the fabric glue that you put gtm's fabric on with. I feel your frustration believe me. I hope I've helped some what......... This is for Del and Mark, Home Depot will get the privilege of having it's paint on my airplane fuse and wing. I've been succesfully painting with latex for some years now and have never run into U.V. problems, case closed. Some times the simplest ways of doing things are the best. Mix the paint with windsheild washer fluid, alittle flowtrol, and spray it on over your dope, Done. And CHEAPER than dope, less messy, NO SMELL!!!!!!!!!!!! Tom P.S. to V.G. Be careful on how much you flatten that fokker, The real ones were glossy dope, Not flat like so many people think. If you have alot of full scale pic's, Study them real closely anything in the sun will show the high gloss dope!!!! Not just the D-7's but all the fokkers, sopwiths, albatros's, most every WW1 plane.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/7/2007 2:35 AM

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Here's what I have today, The gauges mounts have been made and attached to the aircraft. Again any comments or input is very much enjoyed and appreciated. Dave I'm looking up the turnbuckle info, I'll try to get back to you on it tommorrow. Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/7/2007 4:53 PM

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Howdy Tom..........Are you going to Toledo with the DVIII, can't wait to see it up close.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/8/2007 4:17 AM

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Hey Tom - The gauges came out really nice. I like that tach... I am now convinced that I need to have one too in 1/3 scale. Oh, I went ahead and added a link to your build-along from my website www.flygtm.com. Looks like your wrapping up the cockpit area. Any thoughts on the dummy engine ? Or should you just go all out and make a 1/2 scale Oberusel... as you did everything else scale.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 2/8/2007 1:21 PM

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Glenn,I sure wish I could put a replica engine in this thing, wouldn't that be cool! Just making a dummy one we be a challange. Thanks for putting my build on the GTM link. After all you have a hand in this thing too! I have some pic's I'd like to post, there from the old days gone by. You'll remmber!!! To the others, the story is I scratch built a 1/4 scale Fokker D-8 back in 1996, finished it up and took it to the 1998 Top Gun, Had a great time, little engine trouble but static was super in the high 90's. We decieded to go back the next year with the same plane. I ended up drawing first flight on sat. I had a great take off, climbed out into the sun, waited a second to reapear. Suddenly the uspeakable happened, the model totally went out of control. At full throttle,( no radio response) she went straight into the ground. Yup awful, It really sucked. So there we were long weekend at Top Gun watching. The pic's show the end! Cool looking crash isn't it!!!! Tom P.S. Sorry there not real clear I copied them from existing photo's For some reason my pic's won't post I'll try later.

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