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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/17/2007 3:16 AM   
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Frank, Thanks. Your kind words are much appreciated. I like sharing this build with all of you. Believe me I am very much aware of how different this is from the norm. I too would LOVE to see some one else do the same in this type of scale detail. I very much enjoy seeing other builds that are posted here on RC Universe. The Fokker D-8 you mentioned owned by Kermit Weeks was once owned by it's builder Brian Coughlin from New York. I was very lucky to see this fokker fly many many times while it was stabled at Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. Brian built two D-8's and flew them regularly in the shows. Actually the tail skid that was on Kermits D-8 was built by me!! I was lucky to know Brian and did get a little full scale stick time with him. He is really a great builder and pilot. He now owns his own airfield and has many aircraft. Rhinebeck will NEVER be the same with out the old gang they used to have. I'm looking forward to the Dawn Patrol. My D-8 will be there finished or not. Look me up at the event. Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/17/2007 3:59 AM   
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Kermit has a Gnome rotary engine on the DVIII now. I don't know if you were at the 2005 Rendevous, but he fired up the engine occasionally to demonstrate it. It's a beautiful plane. I hope he brings it this year, and is able to fly it. During 2005 he was still sorting out the paperwork with the FAA I believe.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/17/2007 1:52 PM   
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Frank That is the same engine Brian had. Brian also had the same on his other D-8. Really loud and powerful. That fokker climbed out like crazy. I have a lot of video of these airplanes flying. I have been going to Rhinebeck for 22yrs. Yes I was in Dayton in 2005,I did get to talk to Kermit about his D-8 and Brian. Ya it sure would be great to see that airplane fly again. Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/17/2007 3:32 PM   
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Tom, a question for your metal expertise. I need to Silver Solder some 1/4 steel tubing to make Landing Gear for my !/4 Camel. Any recommendations on what Silver Solder to use and can I get away with using a propane torch or should I use MAP gas?

Thanks! If I get finished with the Camel in time it'll be at Dayton in Sept

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/17/2007 9:09 PM   
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Hi Bob I suggest best thing to do is braze the tubing. If you can not get that done than you will have to silver soder it. The problem is the stay brite that is avalible at your local supply stores and plumbing isle is too soft. Don't use it it will break apart. You will have to get some high grade, high temp. silver soder.Mcmasters carr should have it, but I think your best bet and easiest way out is get a hold of a local welder and have him braze it for you or tig weld it. Let me know how you make out. Good luck, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/17/2007 10:49 PM   
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I am looking for a fokker to hang in our showroom for display...prefer a 1/2 scale or larger. Need not be FLY-able..just EYE-able. Anyone know where I can find one to hang up....message me. thanks

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/18/2007 12:24 AM   
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Hi KOjak, I do not know of any in the states, maybe france. But one could always be built! A Fokker triplane, D-6, or D-8 what ever you want. It just takes money. If you are really serious about this let me know. Building time would be about 12 to 18 months. Thanks, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/18/2007 12:42 AM   
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Hi Guys, I got a few small things done today. Didn't spend too much time in the shop, we got 10 inches of snow last nite. And it was the heavy stuff, so I had to clear my 1000 ft driveway today! Not fun. Here's some pic's of a shelf I welded in to house my battery and reciever just inside the big door in the planes belly up front. Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/18/2007 11:03 PM   
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IT"S DONE!! The fuselage brazing is finally finished. I added some tabs for the turtle deck plywood, and some more cable tubes in the forward area of the fuse. I know you guys are getting sick of pic's of a bare fuselage but you have to understand there is a tremendous amount of work to get it to this stage. Hopefully by tomorrow night I will have it primed after I prep it. Sand and clean the steel tube. Things should get a little more interesting now! Later, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/19/2007 12:00 AM   
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No problem with the fuse shots. Just no more shots of the snow! I'm trying to think about spring.

The fuse shots are actually very interesting. I showing my ignorance, but I never thought anyone would build an RC model built with a metal fuse. I'm guessing you're not the first, but this is unique.

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/19/2007 12:00 AM   
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Tom, Congrats on the fuse. I've been following since you started the thread and looking over all the pics and it is hard to realize it is not a full size until the pic of you in the snow holding it up. It really is a model!!! I see in the background that you finally finished renovating your bathroom! Looks great...heated seats? Now the fun begins.....later.. puplover

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/19/2007 3:02 PM   
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Yes, we are serious, found a place in Phoenix called Arizona Model Crafters. They have museum quality pieces up to full scale. But are quite expensive. I'm not looking for necessarily a metal plane ..could be wood, or ??? just want the "look" of the real thing. I expect to spend several thousand dollars for a hanging model. Any suggestions would be appreciated

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/19/2007 11:42 PM   
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KOjak, I can't comment on this forum about Arizonia Models, I must say that I do know a little about them. But to be very honest with you, you will not find anyone to build you a half scale model for sevral thousand dollars. And if you do please forward me their name . The stock alone for a model of that size would be over a 1000.00 I'm looking at a 4 to 500.00 bill for just my aluminum cowl for this Fokker D-8 I think you need to do some research. I can provide you with a very scale non flying model for a reasonable price. The average 1/3 scale WW-1 model that is built with scale outlines and a good finish is worth over 3000.00. Think it over, Let me know if you would like to talk in private. Thanks Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/19/2007 11:54 PM   
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The Fuselage is primed!!! YEHHHH!!!! Ok back to reality, now I'll let it harden up and get two coats of finish olive on. That will take a couple days. Then I have to let that dry for a good 3 or 4 days before I can start reasembling it. What to do while it's drying. Maybe I'll just take a break! No I guess I'll work on my WW-2 Jeep, I have a lot of parades coming up soon. Oh **** I just remembered I still have to finish coat all the upper and lower panels, there goes the jeep time! Anyway here's some more photo's, enjoy, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/20/2007 2:23 AM   
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Looks so good with some color on it..!

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/20/2007 4:23 AM   
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Hey Bob! Yes it really came out good. In person you can see how smooth everything looks. I spent three hours sanding the metal, thought it would never end! I can't wait to paint the olive green , hopefully by tomorrow night. Thanks for keeping up on my build. Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/20/2007 4:58 AM   
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Hey Tom,
So I think you answered this question earlier, but are you going to get a special run of Glenn's lozenge fabric in 1/2 scale, or are you going to use the stencils and paint it? I'm sure it'll look great painted; in fact, Brian's D.VIII is painted and looks terrific.

I saw your Jeep pics and am impressed! It looks super. My brother is restoring a 1942 MB right now and might have it running by August. What a project! He showed me the Mfg's engine plate and it said December 1941, so that's pretty historical right there.

His next project after the Jeep is probably going to be a Fokker...yep, a D.VIII. But this one's going to be full-scale probably. He needs to see what you're doing here, cause it's great!

Cheers, Lyle

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/20/2007 2:21 PM   
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Lyle, Hi I sure do wish I could have a run of 1/2 scale fabric, but that surely is not going to happen. The cost is tremendous to do that.I don't have it and neither does Glenn. I will paint it. It will be my forth plane painted with mylar patterns and airbrushed. It's very tedious and time consuming. But thats all I have. Ya the jeep is really alot of fun. Sure helps having two boys that REALLY look the part riding around with me thats the best of all, My boys! I sure wish I could afford to build a full scale! Your brother is lucky. I'm thinking I'd like to have a 1/3 rd scale D-8 just for fun. This big one will be fun to show off but when it comes to flying it I'm sure that won't be fun at first!!!! Good taking with you, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/20/2007 11:37 PM   
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Well, I have one coat of finish on the fuse, and tail feathers. Also been doing the front panels in side . The outside will be painted yellow. This airbrush sure works great on the steel tube. More Pic's, Enjoy, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/21/2007 1:57 AM   
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I.... I, I.....ummm... THAT... ummm...LOOKS aaaaaaaaaaaaa GOSH!!!!


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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/21/2007 1:50 PM   
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Good morn. Well last nite I came upstairs to spend an hour with the little woman, it was around 8:45. I figured I'd watch a little tv with her. Wouldn't ya figure nothing on tv, so I quietly slipped back down stairs. I seemed to catch a second wind for I decided to do my second coat of green on the fuse and other parts. Between the noise of the compressor and the dremel tool cutting some brass screws on the wind screen at 11:30 that was all she could take. I recieved a call on my cell phone , jumping like a rabbit I grabbed my cell to find my very angry girl asking me if I was out of my mind!!! I guess she and my son could here my tools running upstairs. Yes I'm in the dog house today. But I did manage to get that painting done!!!! I went to bed at 1:00, so I'm dragging butt today. Oh the things one will do when your in airplane mode, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/21/2007 10:08 PM   
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Hi Tom; I've never heard of anything like that happening in this hobby!! First time for everything I guess. What is your timetable to start covering the fuse,or will you go on to the wing next?? Jack

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/22/2007 12:43 AM   
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Hi Jack, Ya right model airplanes never get us in trouble!!! Ask my last wife that one???? On the subject of the covering of the fuselage. I do not plan to cover it until the wing is completely done. That means paint and markings. Then I will go onto finishing the fuselage and tail group. Tonite I started to wire the fuselage up. I plan on using turnbuckles up in the area you can see the wires. Then I will just pull the cable tight and swage the rest off. I had to make a tool to get the wires tight before securing them with the swages. This process is very time consuming, plus it's hard to be careful not to twist the tubing out of square! One pic of panels in there second coat of yellow. One more coat to go. Well back to work, survior is on in 30 minutes. Bye, Tom

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/22/2007 1:44 AM   
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Tom; The problem of wires without turnbuckles or threaded fork ends was on my mind today, I was thinking, if I took maybe 4 or 5 foot lengths and strung them up and hung weights to the bottoms for a week or so( maybe 5 lb. dumbells or more ) this would pre-stretch the cable so I would'nt have to worry about over stretching them and pulling too much where it could cause a problem. I wonder if the original builders had some kind of tensile meter? Of course I'm not building anything right now where it would matter but turnbuckles and forks are so darn expensive. Oh , do your fuse wires touch where they cross and would you put a cushion around the junction?? Jack... did you get my pm ?

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RE: 1/2 Scale Fokker D-8 - 3/22/2007 2:29 AM   
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Hi Tom,
A good way to make sure you are keeping everything square is secure the frame to the building board. Then tie a string on the top cross members with a weight just above the lower cross members. Just make sure the weight is still hanging over your make as you move your way back to the tail. The color is looking great cant wait to see it at the show in two weeks.

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