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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 8/25/2007 2:27:49 AM   
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oh yeah, been nice from Sunday - Wednesday 65-70 deg. days, Thursday - Saturday 85-95 with 70 deg. dewpoint, I hate working outside with the oppressive heat. But it keeps the heli-crack addiction going.

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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 8/25/2007 3:12:09 AM   
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Going to a fun fly on Sunday, weather better be good. So far it will be.

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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 8/25/2007 3:21:02 AM   
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well, hopefully this gunk won't keep going up the coast.


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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 8/25/2007 3:22:27 AM   
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well, hopefully this gunk won't keep going up the coast.



Do a sun dance for me....

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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 9/7/2007 6:37:23 PM   
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Jeff,
Forget the instructions that Futaba gives you for the gyro. Turn on the AVCS feature and set the gain to 75%. When you are ready, connect the battery and don't touch or move the heli until the gyro initializes, about 5 seconds. Start to spool up the blades and see if the heli wants to start spinning around, or if it generally stays pointed in the direction it started at. If it stays, then you're ok, if it starts to spin uncontrollably, then reverse the direction switch on the gyro. Attempt a hover and see what the nose of the heli wants to do. If the tail starts to wag constantly, lower the gain a little at a time until the wag stops. If the nose starts to drift slowly in either direction, add a little more gain until this stops. The key to the Futaba GY240 gyro is that when you land to make a adustment, and you happen not to disconnect the battery, before you spool up again move the rudder stick left and right fast, several times and let the stick center. This will re-initialize the gyro and center the tail blades. If you don't do this, the gyro will continue to move the tail blades if you move the heli any, and then the blades will not be centered. This will make the heli jump and yaw the next time you spool up. I got in the habit of re-initializing the gyro before every spool up, and it really helps.
This method is for AVCS mode only. I never set up my gyro with the AVCS off, and it works great. Another thing you have to look at is how smooth the tail rotor is. There cannot be any binding, wobble or vibration at all. Look at the tail fins when you are spooled up and check for any vibration. The fins will show this as a high frequency vibration. Make sure the slider at the tail is super smooth. No binding. I lubed the steel tail shaft with lithium grease. Check the tail blades and see if they are turning true. Put the heli on a table, hold a straight object, (I used a CD case), flat on the table next to the blades, and spin the main rotor by hand. Look at the tail blades, and as each one passes by the CD case, (or whatever you use), make sure that each blade is the same distance from the straight edge. If one is closer to the object than the other, then there is a wobble in the tail rotor, or one of the tail blades is warped. Mine had both a warped tail blade, and the center hub of the tail rotor was not drilled straight. It sat on the shaft a little crooked. I ended up replacing the hub, grips and blades with a T-rex unit and carbon blades. Now all of my gyro problems are solved, and I can adjust the gain over 80% and tail locks solid. The tail is the most important part to tuning these small helis, and a little extra time and effort here will pay off with a easier to hover machine. Let me know how it goes...

Jesse

I had my mx400 flying great after months of learning curve. I smaked the heli on the ground and had to rebuild the head and the tail. I went to tesst fly it after the rebuild. The issuse I am having is WAG, I turned the gain to 10% and it still wags, nothing is binding, will moving the rudder stick real fast left and right help this issue? The heli is searching/wag while in flight, its like the gyro is bouncing back and forth, go left, no go right , back and forh

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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 9/8/2007 12:17:51 AM   
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Check for slop or binding in the tail unit and pushrod, or damage to the tail servo or gyro mounting. Also, make sure you solve any vibration problems-- they'll keep the gyro from working well and shorten the tail servo life significantly.

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I had my mx400 flying great after months of learning curve. I smaked the heli on the ground and had to rebuild the head and the tail. I went to tesst fly it after the rebuild. The issuse I am having is WAG, I turned the gain to 10% and it still wags, nothing is binding, will moving the rudder stick real fast left and right help this issue? The heli is searching/wag while in flight, its like the gyro is bouncing back and forth, go left, no go right , back and forh


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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 9/8/2007 1:45:55 AM   
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Definitely sounds like it could be a vibration issue. Make sure the main and tail shafts aren't bent, the main and tail blades track properly and are balanced, etc. There's other possible causes, as well, like a damaged servo or binding somewhere. That's always half the battle of a rebuild...getting everything adjusted and working as well as it did before.

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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 9/8/2007 3:10:19 AM   
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Definitely sounds like it could be a vibration issue. Make sure the main and tail shafts aren't bent, the main and tail blades track properly and are balanced, etc. There's other possible causes, as well, like a damaged servo or binding somewhere. That's always half the battle of a rebuild...getting everything adjusted and working as well as it did before.

thanks for getting back to me, I really cant thank you guys enough.

Your tellin me, (about the setup) I'm about 1 battery cycle away from trashing this whole heli hobby, its really cuting into my airplane flying time.

Its a vibration issue. with out the rotor blades the heli is smoth as silk all the way up to full throttle. Once I put install the blades the problems begin.

I just cant get them balanced, and then one blade is heavier that the other so on run up the heli looks like an out of balance washing machine.

I was into this really heavy 20 years ago, not much has changed for the better In my eyes. The gyro's are better, and everything else is plastic instead of metal.

I found a bag of plastic control rod ends from my GMP King Cobra. They lock onto the ball and NO and I mean NO drag on the metal ball. The rod ends that came with my MX's are POS I cant belive what a POS mold they came from. The bind on every ball on the heli, you have to spend hours reworking them or trash them and use a different system.

check out these control rods

JUST VENTING

I loaded up the U-Can_Do 46 into the truck for the weekend, I'm going to vent off some frustraions by putting the plane through a few routines.



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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 9/8/2007 3:56:53 AM   
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hobby_man,

Yeah, helis really are a full time job setting up and keeping them working properly (well, for me anyway). Then all it takes is one mechanical or electronics failure or mistake flying and you're back to square one. I already had two helis and was trying to decide between the MX or my first plane and went with another heli, but the plane is for sure next. I was looking at the Great Planes Mini Delta for about $100 for everything I need to get it flying. I was thinking it would be a lot easier and cheaper to maintain than a heli and worst case scenario is a whole new airframe for $25. I might pick it up soon. Anyway, some other things to check is that your transverse (feathering) shaft isn't bent and that the rotor head T runs fairly true. The plastic T was one problem I had with my MX right out of the box - it was WAY too far off (It would never run smooth like that). I've seen this problem with the 36 plastic T's, as well. As for the transverse shaft, you can check it by running the blades at a very low headspeed. If the blades don't track properly at a very low RPM then it just won't work right. Also make sure the transverse shaft is tight enough on the O-rings. I had a problem with the low speed tracking and tightening up the feathering shaft solved the problem. For the flybar I make sure it's less than .5mm off and I prefer less than .2mm to .3mm. BTW...those are some nice solid looking linkages on your plane! That's good you have an alternate R/C vehicle to fly when you're having probs with the heli. Being totally grounded is the worst! (especially on those perfect days).

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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 9/8/2007 4:08:38 AM   
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hobby_man,

Yeah, helis really are a full time job setting up and keeping them working properly (well, for me anyway). Then all it takes is one mechanical or electronics failure or mistake flying and you're back to square one. I already had two helis and was trying to decide between the MX or my first plane and went with another heli, but the plane is for sure next. I was looking at the Great Planes Mini Delta for about $100 for everything I need to get it flying. I was thinking it would be a lot easier and cheaper to maintain than a heli and worst case scenario is a whole new airframe for $25. I might pick it up soon. Anyway, some other things to check is that your transverse (feathering) shaft isn't bent and that the rotor head T runs fairly true. The plastic T was one problem I had with my MX right out of the box - it was WAY too far off (It would never run smooth like that). I've seen this problem with the 36 plastic T's, as well. As for the transverse shaft, you can check it by running the blades at a very low headspeed. If the blades don't track properly at a very low RPM then it just won't work right. Also make sure the transverse shaft is tight enough on the O-rings. I had a problem with the low speed tracking and tightening up the feathering shaft solved the problem. For the flybar I make sure it's less than .5mm off and I prefer less than .2mm to .3mm. BTW...those are some nice solid looking linkages on your plane! That's good you have an alternate R/C vehicle to fly when you're having probs with the heli. Being totally grounded is the worst! (especially on those perfect days).

Thanks for the input, all the shafts are new and I cheked them for run out with and indicator B4 install. I see my linkage on the tail does not bind but it takes a more pressure than it should to move it. Even though I polished the shaft, it shold move easier than it does.

One of my issues is these blades, the fiber and fiber glass blades are junk. (align 325 fiber, some heli mac fober glass blades) they came with the washers and screws. I have a set of wood blades I balanced and covered, they work great.

NOTE: the u-can do is so old the epoxy fillet on the Horizontal stab is yellow LOL[ ]

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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 9/8/2007 6:06:17 AM   
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Thanks for the input, all the shafts are new and I cheked them for run out with and indicator B4 install. I see my linkage on the tail does not bind but it takes a more pressure than it should to move it. Even though I polished the shaft, it shold move easier than it does.

One of my issues is these blades, the fiber and fiber glass blades are junk. (align 325 fiber, some heli mac fober glass blades) they came with the washers and screws. I have a set of wood blades I balanced and covered, they work great.

NOTE: the u-can do is so old the epoxy fillet on the Horizontal stab is yellow LOL[ ]


Ha, I have the EP one, but sounds like you have the glow- nice.

If you can't get a set of blades to balance/track, then definitely get rid of them. It seems that you can get really good align stuff, and really bad, as well. I have a set of the FG 325 Pros that work great, save for being a little too flexy, but I had a 430XL motor that burned after maybe 10 flights. Don't get me started on their support.

Some sets of blades just will not track, period, and the heli suffers for it. Dunno-- if the problem is the blades, though, try a set of MAH 315s (helihobby has them at http://helihobby.com/html/main_rotor_blades.html, go down to "Tapered 315mm CF MAH" . You still need to take care and balance them well (mass and span both), but they track better than any other blade I've used, and the MX flies beautifully with them. My tips aren't a little off, not less than a mm off, they are exactly in plane and the edge of the rotor disc is razor sharp.


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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 9/8/2007 2:34:13 PM   
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RCHover has the cheapest MAH 315s right now and their customer support is 100% better than Helihobby's. I order from both, but only from Helihobby if RCHover is out of stock.

http://www.rchover.com/inc/sdetail/13636

Don't give up on the heli. You do know that the links are one way right? Like osterizer said, if you can't balance them then toss them. The MAHBlades come matched and balanced. I have never rebalanced a set of MAHBlades yet and they track dead on.

I found the 400 much easier to track bladers on than the 450.

BTW, even if the blades are slightly out of balance they will never track.

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RE: Mx-400 purchase - 9/8/2007 5:07:57 PM   
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Those are good prices. Great description they have for them on the front page-- calm, reserved and no hyperbole at all.

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